To want MNHQ to get rid of the link to 'I want great care'?

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It's an awful awful website. It is not moderated or validated. Doctors at times have to do things that patients don't like (ie sectioning someone mentally ill, not prescribing methadone for someone who is still using heroin as some extreme examples but even things like not giving antibiotics for a viral infection or not referring someone to something inappropriate), this doesn't make them bad, in fact it makes them better doctors than someone who will do something they think is wrong just to keep the patients happy. However, anyone who has been annoyed by their doctor can post on this site and write whatever abusive things they like and there is no way for the doctor involved to respond.
It is not kept up to date - there are doctors who have been entered as the wrong speciality, doctors down as still practicing who have retired and doctors who have actually been entered on the site after their own death. Relatives of these doctors have contacted the people who run the site and asked for their details to be removed as it is obviously upsetting to know that anyone who fancies it can write abuse on the internet about your dead father, the people who run the site have not done anything about it.
I am a doctor. I undergo constant monitoring of how I do my job, both the clinical side of things and how I communicate with patients and their families. There is an effective complaints/feedback system so if my patients think I am doing something wrong they have a way of letting me know this so I can improve. So I'm not being precious and not wanting anyone to say horrible things about me. I just think that this website is a good way to spout anonymous hatred online about named professionals, if you are that way inclined, and as it is not updated and contains the details of dead and retired doctors but does not contain the details of many doctors working today (including me and everyone else who works in my department - apparently there are no paediatricians in this city...), it is also completely useless.
I'm very disappointed that mumsnet has chosen to publicise it.

good outcome - thank you Justine!

narkypuffin's last idea would be the best review site on the planet, one that asks doctors to tell you who they go to... as if i care about who the great unwashed thinks is any good...

Thank you Justine.

I think that perhaps a time will come where we will look online to gather opinion on some professional services. Lawyers, accountants, estate agents (I'd use the work professional loosely there though). With all of those we pay for a service, and have a choice to take ourselves and our money elsewhere if we choose to.

With free at the point of use services though, health and education, that we pay for through our taxes, it is a different matter.

And I don't know anyone who has decided where to move to on the basis of a Drs surgery.

If we had a primarily private system here then yes it would be useful, but we don't.

I'm going to start up a website called They'reAllFuckers.com which will allow you to review any member of the human race.

Anyone! GP. Solicitor. Best friend. Waitress. Bin man. Toddler. Grandparent. Bus driver. Mumsnetter. Anyone.

You just submit their name (or posting name if you don't know their real name) and rate them. I think it will allow us all to interact more effectively with each other and will provide valuable feedback on the service we give each other.

People will be rated on a simple scale of 1-5 for:
Usefulness
Fuckishness
Annoyingness
Attractiveness

You can then post a short statement to substantiate your reviews.

Good plan, no? I think it could catch on.

Sounds excellent. Just have "On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of a fucker are they, where 1 is A Bit of a Fucker and 10 is Nick Clegg."

same idea had occcurred to me theyoungvisitor, setting up a "don't fall in with the wrong crowd" site so parents could review other parents and give other parents the thumbs up or down on potential firendships between small people being encouraged or not.

What's not to love in the age of information via review ?

'1 is A Bit of a Fucker and 10 is Nick Clegg.'

Hurray!
Glad to come home from work and find that you have finally un-associated yourselves with this bunch of parasites.

Good work MNHQ !

I think we're onto something.

Oh, also I forgot to mention on the they'reAllFuckers.com website, there will be buttons like on facebook only they will be "fucker" buttons, so you can comment on listed people by just simply and easily clicking the "fucker" button.

So on posts here for example, you would be able to click on "like" to post it to facebook, "tweet" to post it to twitter or "fucker" to post it to they'reAllFuckers.com

You'll be able to integrate it with facebook, twitter and your address books so that (for example) when someone friend-requests you on facebook you can get an automatic notification telling you how much of a fucker they are before you decide to accept or not.

Crowdsourcing is where that infinite number of monkeys with keyboards really comes into its own.

I'm very pleased with the decision to remove any ads from iWGC.

Hmmm, isn't Mumsnet a form of crowdsourcing. It's what I've done when I've come on here for bf, sleep, weaning, working, school advice. And what I've done when choosing where to have my second.

Well done Justine, good call.

I think that Mumsnet is about halfway between Shakespeare and an infinite number of monkeys with keyboards. Facebook's "like" button is about nine tenths of the way from Shakespeare to infinite monkeys, and the IWGC thing is the same, but with vindictive monkeys.

Right! Now you have sorted that lot out Justine can you pop over and deal with my Bungalow/garden/wanky builder situation please

Ta

@CalatalieSisters

I think that Mumsnet is about halfway between Shakespeare and an infinite number of monkeys with keyboards. Facebook's "like" button is about nine tenths of the way from Shakespeare to infinite monkeys, and the IWGC thing is the same, but with vindictive monkeys.

Wikipedia?

vindictive monkeys

CrumbleMum it is, but it is not about an individual.

If someone started a thread saying 'CrumbleMum is a bitch blah blah blah' and you couldn't reply, how would you feel?

It is a totally different thing to review a product, or a method of feeding, or a parenting philosophy, than it is to review a person.

Personal attacks are banned on MN, and it isn't even 'real life', so quite how MNHQ thought it was a good idea to get involved with a website where personal attacks are not only allowed, but encourage and unmoderated and you don't even have to give your real name to post one, I have no idea.
I really am genuinely bewildered about why Justine et al thought this might be a good idea in the first place.

@thefirstMrsDeVere

Right! Now you have sorted that lot out Justine can you pop over and deal with my Bungalow/garden/wanky builder situation please

Ta

Small local dispute over on the feminism boards to be looked at first.
Then I'll be right over.

It's amazing how good Wikipedia manages to be. Perhaps they are what the infinite number of monkeys would have been like if they'd had a crowd of volunteer mentors/editors

@Alibabaandthe80nappies

CrumbleMum it is, but it is not about an individual.

If someone started a thread saying 'CrumbleMum is a bitch blah blah blah' and you couldn't reply, how would you feel?

It is a totally different thing to review a product, or a method of feeding, or a parenting philosophy, than it is to review a person.

Personal attacks are banned on MN, and it isn't even 'real life', so quite how MNHQ thought it was a good idea to get involved with a website where personal attacks are not only allowed, but encourage and unmoderated and you don't even have to give your real name to post one, I have no idea.
I really am genuinely bewildered about why Justine et al thought this might be a good idea in the first place.

They are moderated actually - we explored that issue in some detail.

But people on here have said that they have put in complaints about inaccuracies, asked for things to be removed and it hasn't happened - so what is this "moderation" that that site is supposed to be undertaking?

But you don't have to give your name when you post a 'review', and as Thumb has just pointed out, the supposed moderation doesn't actually seem to be happening.

Small local dispute over on the feminism boards

Kevlar at the ready?