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....of Trolls & Troll Hunters

426 replies

LittleMissStroppy · 17/08/2011 15:18

I've namechanged for this simply because I like my regular name and persona and would like to keep it on the off chance this goes tits up.

I was going to post this on the thread about Troll Hunters but it felt like it would be a detraction from the main issue of that particular thread.

I think to a large extent, if anyone is worried and brave enough to post about issues going on in their private lives, they open themselves up to a lot of speculation and examination - in addition to the good advices they may or may not recieve.

What worries me is that a lot of vulnerable people come on here, spill their hearts and sometimes are subjected to MNers negativity.

A while back, I used to post quite regularly and it was fine until I decided to ask for insights about some personal matters. Whilst majority of the responses were supportive and helpful, some were downright negative and hurtful. I was shocked that complete strangers, who had no idea what my life is / was like, assumed they had the temerity to make judgements and assumptions. Yes, I agree - words on a screen - but when it is someone's life and feelings, we owe it to each other to be circumspect and treat ourselves with dignity and respect.

Yes, some troubled individuals WILL take advantage and make up stories and I am certain not all of us are dumb to be taken in by them.

It's the few unfortunate ones that get subjected to all sorts of deriding treatment that make me sad about how we treat ourselves on here.

I remember being shocked and a bit frightened that someone knew so much about me based on posts I had made eons ago and kept bringing it up in newer threads to cast aspersions on everything I said (posted). It was frightening and it affected me so much in RL. The inability to make that person and his/her crew see that this was my life and that I wasnt lying about anything. It was frightening. Till today, I rarely post asking for insights or opinions. I stick to the safe topics and pick up helpful tips from threads I find interesting.

I dont / wouldnt want to be in that situation ever again.

My point? Trolls are disruptive, yes. Troll Hunters are worse. They have a grandoise opinion about themselves and their "position" on a board and thrive on their ability to disparage anyone who seems vulnerable, or are battling with "unbelievable circumstances" in their life. They have an over inflated opinion of themselves as "Masters of the board". I am glad MNHQ do their best to discourage them.

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baskingsharkwontbite · 18/08/2011 21:44

bibbety - nope. I am namechanging a lot atm though due to a helpful (not) friend.

I know the 'story' on the thread was just that, a story. I'm just intrigued that so many people were yelling police. Either everybody was getting a bit het up or there are a lot of posters out there with a lot of v sad and sacry history or there were sock puppets stirring like crazy. There were a few posters posting 'lets not freak out' and they got trodden on just as firmly as DrP then did.

scottishmummy · 18/08/2011 21:46

so their inflated sense of self renders them savious of the feckless and foolish?
now that is grandiose...
you know what people need to be circumspect on mn,its online strangers.cant corroborate anything,and it is words on a screen only

Maryz · 18/08/2011 21:46

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DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 21:48

look, one of the things I love about SM is her consistent refusal to take on anybody elses view point.

So she is consistent in her inconsistency. As bibs said

being called a name - no big deal
calling some a troll - unforgivable

Therein lies SMs charm.

scottishmummy · 18/08/2011 21:50

mary unlike drP im not dragging up other threads. so she got a mn pasting
and feels sore about it.lets be clear i dont read every post and related post just in case may be relevant. i can not recall who said what.dont look at or recall poster names anyhoo

and i dot think youll find many people drop in/out of individual threads,as there is no prerequisite for background reading

BeerTricksPotter · 18/08/2011 21:50

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DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 21:51

Actually SM you have dragged up other threads to support your position on troll hunting...

but please don't disappoint me and actually engage with that observation

scottishmummy · 18/08/2011 21:51

paraphrasing erroneously DrP
its the troll process,the build,the drip drip,the searched and recalled posts.not the word and the inflated need to do so.leave it to mnhq

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 21:52

I'll leave it to bibs to decide whether I am paraphrasing it erroneously.

Maryz · 18/08/2011 21:56

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MoominsAreScary · 18/08/2011 22:04

The thing I found the most weird was everyone jumping on drp for saying that the op had been gone so long, it was like mass hysteria, very weird imo

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 22:12

Yes, it was the mass hysteria bit that weirded me out. It was so strong. And continued the next day.

I did try and suggest that it was rather that people had invested so much emotionally that they needed to turn on someone who doubted OP therefore invalidated them, but got shouted down.

I thought it was a fair point. There are reasons why people behave in a mob like manner and it weren't nowt to do with me.

MoominsAreScary · 18/08/2011 22:20

Maybe your right and people were just realy invested in it so didn't want to think it was all fake

Tanith · 18/08/2011 22:25

I agree with what MissPenteuth has said.

DrPolidori you seem to feel very aggrieved about your treatment on the thread at the weekend. I didn't see it right to the end, so didn't see all of the accusations you mention. Like you, I thought the poster wasn't genuine but, unlike you, I didn't post, I just came away. If it got as bad as you say, I don't blame you feeling angry.

I think it's ironic that, having had a taste of what it's like to be accused of being a troll (well, troll hunter then - it's all the same to me), you don't seem to understand how those outed by other trolls have felt. Those people may have had desperate circumstances that led them to post in the first place, possible MH issue such as PND that caused the confused facts. And then they have to watch as their lives are picked over, questioned and virtually violated. As well as that abuse you were talking about.

Can you understand why some of us feel so very angry and intolerant towards troll hunters as much as trolls? They really cause significant damage when they get it wrong, and they get it wrong rather a lot, if this week's posts on MN are anything to go by.

Scottishmummy's example has happened, not just once, but lots of times. That's a lot of very angry, distressed people who want to prevent those altruistic but misguided fellow posters you mentioned from upsetting anyone else.

Someone else has suggested simply PMing people to warn them if you think someone isn't genuine.

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 22:30

Tanith, do you honestly think I do not know those arguments INSIDE OUT?

I personally think PMing can be invidious and cruel also. Creates a gang behind a gang mentality.

There is a very good book called Practical Ethics which explores why we deviate from rules we beleive are absolute. Its all about context.

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 22:32

And for the record, once again, I am not a troll hunter, by the current MN definition of the word, which seems to include vicarious pleasure at troll outing, a sense a grandiose above the rules mentality, and tracking down old posts to discredit the OP.

I was a doubter. A small, tiny voice of doubt, couched in terms everyone was at liberty to ignore.

BeerTricksPotter · 18/08/2011 22:32

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Tanith · 18/08/2011 22:35

Then I really am at a loss to understand why you would think publicly outing a troll is an acceptable solution. Really. You actually do it knowing that you could be wrong and could seriously upset someone Hmm

I can see what you mean about PMing and I agree with you that it could be abused.

MissPenteuth · 18/08/2011 22:37

I think, DrP, that part of the reason people objected so strongly to your suspicions is that they were based on the OP not returning to update. They found the suggestion that the OP was under obligation to keep MNers in the loop a bit offensive. And it did seem like a leap, that being away = being a troll rather than being away = more important things to do under the circumstances.

I'm not defending the abuse you got. Just giving my thoughts on the reasons behind it.

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 22:38

I don't think its acceptable. I think a gentle hint is.

Do I have to give up the uniform and badge too? Can't I keep them just to amuse ds?

Tanith · 18/08/2011 22:39

But you started it. Once you'd written your post, others started joining in and you wrote more. I remember your initial post. It was pretty obvious what you meant.

BeerTricksPotter · 18/08/2011 22:39

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Tanith · 18/08/2011 22:40

Do I have to give up the uniform and badge too? Can't I keep them just to amuse ds?

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TheRealMBJ · 18/08/2011 22:43

It is very seldom that I agree with sm, so this comes as a surprise to me and I actually really 'like' you DrP, you seem like a lovely person who has been hurt by all the abuse you received on the GP thread. The scorn that was piled on you was indeed excessive.

But it is now Thursday evening, this thread was when Saturday/Sunday and you still are complaining across more than one thread about the treatment you received, despite having many posters commiserate with you and deride the treatment you received. Confused

Personal attacks are banned on here as is troll-hunting behaviour. Neither are acceptable.

I have been a vocal poster regarding my distaste of troll-hunting behaviour but that does not mean that I feel it is appropriate to abuse those who express doubt in the thread.

Simply, I believe you should report and highlight the inconstistancies to MNHQ, an if you feel someone is being duped, PM them and the hide the thread if you must. I know you did report and that you felt things weren't moving fast enough but MNHQ did investigate and did pull the thread.

I'm not sure I understand what you want though, a public apology from HQ for the behaviour of some of the posters on that thread? I'm sure that some of the genuine posters who have been troll hunted and have been deeply hurt would like the same.

DrPolidori · 18/08/2011 22:46

I don't really want anything. But I am stating my case, and I think it is one that needs to be stated. Not everyone is an evil trollhunter.

That's all.

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