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AIBU?

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Original poster

to think a well designed workfare for benefits would have helped avoid the riots?

93 replies

TheRealTillyMinto · 11/08/2011 20:49

By well designed i mean:

  • is only for people fit enough to work and those without caring responsibilites
  • is for e.g. 2/3 days per week to allow time for job hunting
  • is used to perform extra jobs not make more people redundant

The looters seem to want something for nothing. I know that many of the looters are too young to work and I have no idea what percentage are employed/students/unemployed but think it would help change from a culture of 'my rights' to a culture of 'my rights and my responsbilities'.

AIBU?

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OpinionatedPlusSprogs · 11/08/2011 22:53

What job can you come up with that would not put someone else out of a job?

CustardCake · 11/08/2011 22:54

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GypsyMoth · 11/08/2011 22:56

yes,its never 'those on benefits should assist in courts/PA for a solicitor/work with a headteacher for a few hours a week' no,its always 'clear out canals' or something like thatHmm

reelingintheyears · 11/08/2011 22:56

Yikes...i didn't mean it to sound like i meant you should sack the street cleaners.
I meant that it would be counter productive to make people on benefits do those jobs because then those people would be put out of work themselves..

Th scroungers bit was sarcasm...sorry.

mrsdonkeybucket · 11/08/2011 22:57

It's because jobseekers are all feckless lazy bastards, didn't you know ?

Never mind that a lot of jobseekers are on jobseekers through no fault of their own.

A lot are over a certain age, and have worked for longer than some people have been alive and have paid into the system and are 'allowed' to receive jsa.

And most on jobseekers are bloody hard-working citizens of this country who are doing all they bloody can to find a job.

I do hope some of you with this attitude never find yourselves having to be 'in receipt of benefits' ( that you are ENTITLED to) through no fault of your own.

usualsuspect · 11/08/2011 22:59

I was being sarky

reelingintheyears · 11/08/2011 22:59

Community service isn't always nasty jobs.

DPs mate got done for drink driving and did his CS in a charity shop at weekends.

usualsuspect · 11/08/2011 23:00

Op ,maybe they can do your job

GypsyMoth · 11/08/2011 23:03

so what is causing all these professional people to riot and loot??

reelingintheyears · 11/08/2011 23:05

To never leave my house again, never ever ever .

I'm off back here....hilarious.

Oh,and the fluffy bunnies.

ShellyBoobs · 11/08/2011 23:07

so what is causing all these professional people to riot and loot??

All these professional people? Confused

A few cases have been highlighted by sensationalist media, that's all.

CustardCake · 11/08/2011 23:07

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GypsyMoth · 11/08/2011 23:09

ditto those on benefits shelly

have heard of none from social housing

tethersend · 11/08/2011 23:09

usual- maybe we could 'employ' them to hit us over the head with this brick repeatedly until all this stops.....?

reelingintheyears · 11/08/2011 23:14

It will be interesting to see the statistics if they ever come out.

Professional people rioting v unemployed benefit receiving people rioting.

Will we ever know?

Does it really matter?.

What matters is that it doesn't repeat itself.

lachesis · 11/08/2011 23:22

Another day, another stupid, ignorant, poorly-thought out OP.

GypsyMoth · 11/08/2011 23:24

op didnt even stick around!

lachesis · 11/08/2011 23:27

Yeah, she came back to justify the piss poor OP with an even worse post.

A lot of these posters are making The Daily Mail look high-brow lately.

jjkm · 12/08/2011 01:59

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Original poster
TheRealTillyMinto · 12/08/2011 07:34

It was Torchwood time. However back now. (1) I did NOT say all looters were on benefits - i said the opposite. (2) did not say it would prevent the riots - clearly there were many causes.

What I did say was would workfare help end a culture of entitlement?

Slag me of if it makes you happy - i dont care. I think it is interesting to discuss what might help. but if you dont want to slag away - tis water off a duck's back.

To answer the question what jobs could be done by someone of workfare and not lead to more redundancies IS interesting. I will have the think and get back. Also the question about what non meanial jobs could be done by workfare as well.

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reelingintheyears · 12/08/2011 07:48

What an outrageously offensive statement to say that abuse is prevalent in the lower classes.
Prevalent means widespread and dominant.

And i agree TillyMinto....it's hard to think of work that would not require redundancies other than having offenders working alongside paid workers and i will tell you that workers don't always welcome offenders working beside them.

When our friend lost his driving license and went to work in a charity shop the first one he went to (British heart foundation) made his time there miserable and told the probation (?) officer that he went in smelling of alcohol and went drinking during his lunch break,both of which were wholly untrue.

He went to a different shop as the probation officer(?) actually believed him and the BHF shop was taken off the list of agencies.

He did his time there and actually ended up enjoying it!

hugeleyoutnumbered · 12/08/2011 07:50

not all of the rioters were on benfits, teaching assistant arested, law student, to name but two, lets not give everyone on benefits the same lable, there but for the grace of god..........

hugeleyoutnumbered · 12/08/2011 07:53

benefits even Blush

QueenOfAllBiscuitsandMuffins · 12/08/2011 07:54

"YABU working for benefits would make even bigger riots !!!!!!!!

that's just slave labour"

Can I just point out that it would not be slave labour as they would be paid in the form of benefits, benefits are MONEY not fairy dust.

However like most of the other posters I would be interested to hear where these "jobs" are going to come from without putting currently employed people out of work.

VictorGollancz · 12/08/2011 08:03

So people on JobSeekers have loads of time on their hands? My arse they do. I can think of probably 20 examples of people I know who have been/are still unemployed, all well-educated, all with good experience in the relevant fields, and they spend every single day, 9.00-5.00, jobhunting. Handing out CV's, emailing, monster.co.uk, calling, chasing up. Let's not talk about the little job diary you have to fill in in order to get the benefits. The jobcentres are currently swamped with unemployed people that they simply cannot help - the sort of companies that want business PAs don't tend to advertise down the labour exchange...

And the interviews! Employers are taking the right piss. My sister just landed a job for which she had FOUR interviews, including one where she drove 400 miles, stayed in a hotel, and spent the whole of the following day at an extended interview. Four days taken from her current job for a company that may not have offered anything (this has happened to another friend of mine - a similar experience TWICE and no job offer). I am thrilled beyond measure that sister's got a job but you'll have to trust me when I say that the sort of job she's landed certainly did come with that level of interview commitment five years ago.

So OP, yes, I can see that some of your intentions are good but YABU.

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