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To be VERY shocked at some of these comments about Anders Behring Breivik Manifesto?

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MrBloomsNursery · 24/07/2011 23:04

Read the comments left by people at the bottom of the page (Yes I know it's Yahoo news, but still)

I cannot believe that there are people agreeing with this man. There are numerous people defending this nutter's actions as a cry-out for stopping immigration and multiculturism and allowing muslims into the western world and they have been given ALOT of thumbs up too for saying it.

I am SHOCKED and DISGUSTED by this. Why is this man being defended for what he did? I am so angry that people feel like this. If it was a muslim man who had done the same, everyone would have been angry at Islam and muslims, so either way, Islam and muslims get the flack.

How could ANYONE agree with his racist manifesto? Just in the same way how could ANYONE agree with Osama Bin Laden's thoughts and ideas?

Immigration allows the mixing up of different societies - it promotes harmony between cultures - and that is what this world needs. Not hate and segregation. What is happening to our world?

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LadyThumb · 24/07/2011 23:35

nailak - it wasn't me that quoted that, but worra.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/07/2011 23:35

I haven't read the 'manifesto' but would expect it would include pretty much everyone as an object of hate, revenge or some sort of grudge-settling. That's pretty standard in these cases.

worraliberty · 24/07/2011 23:37

Also another question - Did Breivik state any kind of hatred against other cultures and races, such as jews or black people? Or was it just aimed at Muslims?

Does it matter? Confused

Extremists are extremists...they don't get brownie points for hating more than one race/religion.

I'm not sure if Abu Hamza hated anyone other than 'infidels' now I come to think of it, so that covers many many races.

worraliberty · 24/07/2011 23:38

lady thumb, muslims dont want europe to be muslim? i thought even the terrorist attacks werent due to that reason but some other thing, about revenge for war in iraq or something?

No, but some extremist muslims do.

maypole1 · 24/07/2011 23:39

MrBloomsNursery he is a neo Nazi and the last time i checked they didn't go in much for Jews, gays, any body whose not christian, mixed raced people, whites who dated anybody who wasn't white

I have had a peep at a few of these forums and they often call for arms to be taken up to highlight their awful cause

The neo Nazis and the Muslim terrorist should be put on a island and let them bloody fight it out .

LadyThumb · 24/07/2011 23:39

Absolutely worra - extremism comes in many form and guises!

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MrBloomsNursery · 24/07/2011 23:41

I agree nailak I don't understand where muslim extremists have stated they want Europe.

Also I thought the holocaust was taught in every school at GCSE level since forever...

Yes it does matter worra, because then we will know if it is only the Muslim people in the world at risk from an uprising of the followers of this man, or a whole range of cultures and religions. If it's a whole range of societies, then maybe it will increase harmony between them to fight back.....Back in my fairytale world again!!!

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MrBloomsNursery · 24/07/2011 23:42

Agreed maypole I wish they would leave the innocent people out of it.

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MrBloomsNursery · 24/07/2011 23:44

Isn't it Norway that has the highest level of suicide in Europe? I am suprised he didn't shoot himself at the end.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/07/2011 23:46

Obviously it's not 'only muslim people at risk'.... because the poor people gunned down and blown up in Oslo were mostly from outside that particular decription. Same as the people who died at the hands of the right-wing-nutter Oklahoma bomber. Same as the people who died in 7/7 and 9/11 were not exclusively from one section of society.

Psychopaths don't really care who dies. They'll rationalise it somehow.

worraliberty · 24/07/2011 23:46

Yes it does matter worra, because then we will know if it is only the Muslim people in the world at risk from an uprising of the followers of this man, or a whole range of cultures and religions. If it's a whole range of societies, then maybe it will increase harmony between them to fight back.....Back in my fairytale world again!!!

It doesn't matter because everyone is at risk from terrorists.

The IRA blew up innocent Irish people in the UK

Muslims extremists blew up innocent Muslims in the UK and America

Basque Sepratists blew up innocent Spaniards in Spain

Extremists don't give a shit who they kill as long as they get their point across.

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MrBloomsNursery · 24/07/2011 23:48

Ah good points cogito and worra.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/07/2011 23:49

Norway 36th in world ranking of suicides - just below Ireland. Belgium ranked 15th. UK 49th.

maypole1 · 24/07/2011 23:49

MrBloomsNursery yes it is taught but in the back ground you wil
Have the parents telling their children not to believe a word of it usually these will odds on be the children who are often in trouble you won't often get a well behave racist.

And no doubt the parents will be very hostile with the school as teachers are often seen as liberal and promoting racial harmony.

And in the stars these crazy people often home school their children so they can brain wash them good and proper I mean you had that case a while back where these nutters named their children hitler and Himmler

worraliberty · 25/07/2011 00:03

I remember watching a Documentary a few years back where some extremists had taken over a building somewhere and were threatening to blow it and all the occupants up (these particular ones just happened to be Muslim)

A poor woman was sobbing and cuddling her toddler for dear life and she begged and pleaded with them..saying "Please don't kill us, I'm a Muslim woman"

The terrorist pointed to a lady with him, who had explosives strapped to her body and replied "No, THAT is a good Muslim woman" Sad

So you see, no matter where the Terrorists come from and who their hatred is directed at, they are willing to kill anyone who gets in their path.

It's really scary when you think about the brain washing and from such an early age in most cases.

TartyDoris · 25/07/2011 00:08

Saying that immigration needs to stop isn't the same as thinking that killing 90 teenagers was right, and I hope that those on the left aren't trying to make that connection.

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MrBloomsNursery · 25/07/2011 00:13

Well I've just been on EDL's website and they claim that they have no link with the NDL or Breivik - even making this atrocious claim:

"It couldn?t be made any clearer that Brievik did not like the way the EDL was a peaceful organisation, open to all, making our point through legal and democratic means, as Brievik recognises we do ?The EDL is a democratic movement, they still believe that the democratic system can solve Britain?s problems?. He even knew before hand that the EDL would harshly condemn his terrorist atrocity and his terrorist group, and as the leading anti-terrorist, anti-fascist, anti-racist organisation in the country, this is exactly what we have already done in our release yesterday englishdefenceleague.org/extremism-strikes-in-norway/."

I am actually laughing at the "peaceful organisation" part!!!

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MrBloomsNursery · 25/07/2011 00:16

Yes worra, I guess at the root of every extremist group is the use of brainwashing.

On another topic - Normally you hear about presidents and prime ministers of countries condeming attacks - I haven't heard any press releases from Cameron or Obama, or have I missed them?

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worraliberty · 25/07/2011 00:17

I haven't had a chance to see or read much news today

Probably not a bad thing considering how depressing it all is

proudfoot · 25/07/2011 00:42

YANBU I totally agree with you.

I am shocked and disgusted to see so many people saying they understand his motives and this is a wake up call to sort out immigration Hmm

Breivik's actions should be 100% commended - we do not need loons excusing and twisting things to make this someone else's fault. Fault lies solely with perpetrator - Brevik.

proudfoot · 25/07/2011 00:43

Fuck, commended not the word I am looking for!!! Er mind gone blank as to the actual word... but OPPOSITE of commended

proudfoot · 25/07/2011 00:45

Condemned is what I meant

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/07/2011 07:22

"I haven't heard any press releases from Cameron or Obama, or have I missed them?"

You've missed them. Many leaders, including the Queen, have issued statements of support to Norweigian people and condemnation of the violence.

EdithWeston · 25/07/2011 07:57

Cogito:

a) why didn't he commit suicide? At least one commentator is saying it is because he wants to be tried as his 'cause' will remain in the news for far longer, and he will be able to spell it out in open Court.

b) and his victims weren't Muslim, because they were not his targets. According to reports I've seen, his target was the Government and, chillingly, the children of members of the ruling party, because he holds the Government responsible for the policy (not individuals who have arrived under that policy).

CogitoErgoSometimes · 25/07/2011 08:28

Not committing suicide makes this action different to other 'rampage killings' such as we've seen in the past. They are effectively theatrical suicides by people who feel wronged in some way, whereas this man clearly thinks he's in the right and wants to share his twisted rationale with all of us. I don't think it prolongues his notoriety especially if he's allowed to do that. If he had killed himself there would still be a lot of interest in why he did what he did. Indeed, I think we should know what he's been up to and who he's connected with because there are many who think the same way.

His 'target' was the Norweigian society which is too liberal, open and tolerant for his liking. I'm reminded of that horrible American family Louis Theroux has spent time with. Their rationale for protesting at funerals is very twisted... god hates liberality, the US government is liberal, so soldiers die and go to hell because god hates the US government.... something like that. Only he puts himself in the place of 'god' and, rather than be content with protesting, he kills instead.