to suspect that people whose children have higher than average SATS scores.....

[seeker]

....post on here asking for "clarification" of this bizarre, bewildering numerical system starting at 1 moving up in steady increments while anyone whose child has lower than average scores finds out everything they need to know with a simple Google?

Oh and I hate google btw. You have no idea of the quality of the information you are looking at. Its such a thief of time.

bibbity you do have a point- our school puts out samples of work for each sublevel on parents' evening for just that purpose, which means I've never had to do stealth boasting. I can just come straight out and say my DCs are clever.

Is it just my DS's school that gives a short explanation on the results sheet?

A parental boasting topis sounds like a great idea.

So where is the definitive site to go and find out these things? Seriously, for me Googling gets loads of hits, but much of it is just blather. Is there an official dept. education website?

I also think that schools somehow think parents understand the levels when their children start school and talk about them as if we know what they're talking about. I certainly didn't (my son is 12). I didn't even know what KS1 and KS2 meant.

I don't need nannying, but I do think the information should be made more available.

Try these as a start point: this
or this

OK, I just googled KS3 levels explained. The first hit is The National Curriculum website. Lots of info. but I can't (easily) see where the levels are explained.

Second hit is a MN thread [hgrin] which I will go back and read (it's about predicting GCSE results from KS2 and KS3 levels).

Third hit is from the Dept. Edu and talks about actual results from 2005.

I've found a table for primary school here

Can't find one for secondary. I'm sure it's there, but as I said, it's not THAT easy to find, is it?

Thanks pipra but where is the doc which says e.g. a child given a level of 6c at the end of yr 7 is on target (or whatever)?

DS is at an independent school and has been since the age of 9: they use simple A, B, C, etc. What is required for the ABC is upped as they get bigger. It is easy to understand AND it links with GCSE grades (or IGCE or anything else a school may use). I have never had a problem with it. LV DS got A's (and one B). It correlates with what is expected in the public exams in UV and gives parents an assessment about what matters. The results will be the litmus test.

DD is in a cofe state. I have received sheets about her SATs levels. She is mostly expected to get L6's and L7s at the end of Y8. She wasn't a high flyer at primary and I have far less of an idea of where she is than I do for DS. Do SATS grades correlate to GCSE grades?

Actually I dont understand how some posters say their child had a grade with an L and others state theirs had a C, a B or a +. how many possibilities are there? I thought it was a, b or c?

bonkers20 - here's information about schools' expected results.

I think the reason that no information is published by govt. about individual pupil expected results is because SATS tests aren't intended by govt. to test pupils, but to assess the performance of schools.

As it says on the site - attainement level at the end of KS2 will very much depend on where the child started from.

lol OP

"I think MN needs a new topic - Parental Boasting. We could post when we feel the need to boast, all the replies would have to be positive, and the topic could be easily hidden ."

Brilliant idea. I started a small parental boasting thread earlier, which, in the spirit of boasting I will repeat. DD, almost 2, asked for "more broccoli, please" at dinner. Come along and marvel at her speech (don't think it's out of the ordinary, but I find it amazing), manners and love of healthy food :o

bibbity, I am fairly sure I can get something like that from work (freely available). I know we definitely have stuff covering the p scales. Do you want me to find out?

"Do SATS grades correlate to GCSE grades?"

That's where levels of prgress come in - don't know enough about it to advise but that's where I'd start with this

Do SATS grades correlate to GCSE grades?

I read that a KS2 SAT L5 approx. = E at GCSE, & SAT Level 8 is equivalent to about a B at GCSE.

Loads of technical stuff here. [hconfused]

I have no idea what you're all rabbiting on about - it frightens me that I may, one day, understand you.....

Is l5 the same as 5 a, b or c? I find it very strange that if that is the case my year 5 son can be estimated an e at gcse, when he is 10!! Gcse's are years off, I don't think that comparison should be allowed. I like to know where he is now but surely any future comparison is irrelevant?

I still haven't been shown a table of expected levels for KS3, so I think the OP is wrong. You can't find it using Google!

they predict GCSE grades by going back and looking at what the thousands of children who got particular grades at GCSE also got at KS2 and then at KS3. So its worked out on a 'most likey' basis. We use it at secondary as the basis of the individual targets that children are set at KS3 and for GCSE.

Totally agree with op btw! Lots of thinly diguised boasting threads in primary education...

at OP!

I think there is a mix of boasting and genuine query. A search of MN will tell you most of what you need to know I found MN most helpful in the past. Personally I just wish people would just post a big brag thread. If my DD in yr9 and not 13 till the week before her first two GCSE results come out passes them at the grades her teachers are predicting then I'm sorry but I might just post a thread titled a Bloody Big Boast!

yanbu. I'm sure that there are some genuine questions about levels, but most of them seem very disingenuous. My dd is in year 1, and I have found ample info on the web to explain where she is in the bigger scheme of things. I struggle to believe that the parents of all these highly intelligent children are so totally clueless!

Oooh please - a parental boasting section!

That would be fantastic.

Tbh I love people who say " look how bloody marvellous my dd was this year!! Woo-hoo"

I get annoyed by " could someone tell me if 27 gcse a grades is good or not. I think dd did quite well "

I dislike " I don't understand what these 27 gcse certificates dd was given at prize day mean"

But "can I have a teeny weeny leeeetle boast about dd please. Proud mum alert" makes me want to punch something

My son when in year 6 got a 7 on his Maths Sat, two years later he taught himself GCSE maths from a homestudy course, his secondary school allowed him to sit the exam and he passed.

I would urge any parent to offer this to their children if they get higher than average scores.

As a matter of course he has just got a First in a Maths degree! He graduates tomorrow.

good for him!

I was unaware the KS2 exam went up to level 7....

But was it a RG University Fabbychic?