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to report a cocaine dealer to the police?

46 replies

rainbowtoenails · 12/07/2011 10:52

I'm a bit restricted in how much detail i can reveal about this but id like the mn consensus. Someone i know through being a friend of a relative has been dealing for a few years. I stay as far away from them as possible but they spend a lot of time with my relative, whom i dont want to cut off. I have witnessed this person with amounts of the drug that could leave no doubt that they are a professional dealer. I know they have already had run ins with the police but dont know details.
My concern here is for my relative. Imo they are developing an addiction and i dont want to see this happen esp as their a child in the house.
Im thinking that if i reported what i know this person may be sent to jail, cutting off my relatives supply. But would the police even care? If my relative finds out it was me then they would cut me off. Also is it ever safe to report a dealer or will i spend my life looking over my shoulder?

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TheAtomicBroomstick · 12/07/2011 11:38

Also, with regards to the answer of leaving dealer be dealers, doyou know that there has been a decrease in uses of drugs such as cocaine resently? The reason is because the supply lines into the country are being cut off again and again, and the price of cocaine has reached an all time high. As a result, the purity of street coaine is at it's lowest ever. This is meaning that casual users are stopping, which means less people getting addicted, which means less have to be rehabilitated.

Although I don't disagree with clinics for addicts or anything. It just doesn't mean that targetting dealers is a bad idea.

Empusa · 12/07/2011 13:14

Of course YANBU.

The police will treat it as confidential, they will not let anyone know it was you.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 13:29

If you report this, you cannot let your relative find out, or anyone else, it will bring massive trouble to your door.

Are there specific times that he is likely to have quanties of drugs on him? that is what the police will ask, or they may follow him, if he is arrested in your relatives house and there is evidence of drug taking then she will be refered to CP SS and arrested, so be aware of that, you can never slip up about reporting it.

Can you not talk to your relative about her usage? She will find someone else as a 'round' will be up for graps and someone else will take over.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/07/2011 13:46

You can report the dealer anonymously to Crimestoppers.

If the dealer is spending a lot of time with your relative, could it be that they are in a relationship or have a strong friendship and that s/he is benefitting from freebies?

If so, it's likely that if the dealer is taken out of the equation your relative will stop taking cocaine (if in fact they are partaking).

If you have any concern that a child is suffering neglect or abuse you can make an anonymous call to the NSPCC.

Should you decide to formally report your concerns, you are best advised to never reveal your actions to any other party - not even if the relative in question expresses themselves as being grateful that the dealer is off the scene, or that Social Services became involved with their child's welfare.

rainbowtoenails · 12/07/2011 14:03

Yes i am worried about them finding out it was me if i tell. The child is a little neglected, from the parent staying in bed a lot on come downs but its not so serious that ss would consider removal. My relative if def not paying full whack as they are probably taking 10+ lines a week and are on benefits so the sums dont add up. If this dealer was in jail then i think they would stop using, which is what i want. But i dont even know if a jail sentence is even mandatory, is it? What other info would the police want?

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izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/07/2011 14:06

The scenario outlined by Birds is improbable.

Regardless of whether the alleged dealer is known to the police, you won't be asked to do their detective work for them. If the alleged dealer is apprehended in your relative's home it's unlikely that your relative will be arrested unless there is cause to suspect that s/he has engaged in the sale of Class A drugs on or off the premises.

izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 12/07/2011 14:25

As you know, custodial sentences depend on many factors but if the alleged drug dealer is caught bang to rights it may at least interrupt their activities until their case is dealt with - and this may be all that is needed for your relative to stop their recreational use of cocaine.

Please read this from Crimestoppers website:

"What we mean by anonymous
Anonymous means that your name is not known or made public.

We will never ask for your name

Your call will not be recorded

Your call or online form will not be traced

You will not have to make a statement to the police

You will not appear in court

We know that our guarantee to never ask for your name or record your call is vitally important to you.

It makes it easier for you to come forward, breaking the silence around criminal activity and removing your fear.

Crimestoppers' guarantee of anonymity has never been broken"

Vist the website at www.crimestoppers-uk.org and make the call or report online.

There's no guarantee that anything will happen in the near future, but at least you will know that you have done what you can at the present time to help your relative break a dangerous habit.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:26

Izzy- if the OP phones the police they will ask her if she can add any further information. The information, the better, if she wants him caught.

If they follow him, he may be arrested at the relatives house, i was outlining what could happen, if they both have been taking drugs then what i said, will happen, the relative will be arressted and it will be a CP referal..

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:32

If he is found guilty of 'intent to supply' he will be imprisoned. This counts even if money isn't changing hands, at one time cash would have to be found on the person, also, now it doesn't.

Your relative will receive a caution, only, unless she is found to have large quanties hidden in the house.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:35

If he is found in possession only then he will be cautioned unless he is breaking bail/warrant conditions, which he could be.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:37

There is a massive clampdown on Cocaine at the moment.

rainbowtoenails · 12/07/2011 14:40

Wont they need a witness to convict him though? Or is it just luck whether they arrest him with a lot on him or not?

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knittedbreast · 12/07/2011 14:45

drug users dont need to be rehabilitated, most people who use coke are not addicts they just enjoy it. This is something that needs to be faced up to, people dont want "help" getting off things they enjoy.

I really wouldnt report them, they will get found out, robbed or stop of their own accord at some point. I know a guy, he is lovely really so nice. then i found out about his criminal record and bar child abuse and rape hes pretty much done it all. There may well be reprisals, just leave it alone.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:49

If he is carrying just on a gram then the CPS are assumming 'intent to supply' and the courts are following through. Cocaine use has become a big problem and it is being targeted, to get as much of it off the streets and to deter anyone from selling it.

If your relative has been taking it when the police arrest him (assumming this happened) and her, if they are in possession, then it would be refered to SS, but they will insist on a drug rehab programme, so will put services in to help.

I was just pointing out that even if there is a possitive outcome, you cannot let anyone know that it was you.

knittedbreast · 12/07/2011 14:49

ive known people who have been arrested for intent to supply and walked free, it dousnt mean you go to prison.

Also 10 lines plus, that dousnt mean anything. how big are the lines? 1cm lines against credit card lenght lines 2cms thick...what if the cokes cut? the strenth will be decreased etc... you cant really tell amounts by saying how many lines they are doing.

Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 14:57

In my region in the last 6 months, it carries a prison sentance. Even having someone in your car with cocaine carries a caution, it varies. People generally walk free when police are building a picture about what is happening in the region and they don't want things interuppted.

It is always, or should be, if guidelines are followed, if someone is arressted in your house with drugs and you have been taking drugs whilst DC's are in your care, that it becaomes a CP referal.

The child is being neglected so the OP should be keeping an eye on it, different matter if you are not a parent and are taking it whilst your DC's are looked after by someone else.

meravigliosa · 12/07/2011 15:23

The information likely to be of most value to the police will be as to where he is dealing from, when he will have dealer quantities with him and where he stores the drugs. If he is found with a dealer's quantity or there are such quantities in his premises it is likely that there would be a basis for charging him with either possession with intent to supply or concern in the supply. It would be relatively unusual for either of these offences, in connection with a class A drug, to result in a non-custodial disposal, particularly if larger quantities are involved.

rainbowtoenails · 12/07/2011 15:36

Thanks, this is all really helpful.
Can i ask, if i was there when others were taking/ dealing could i be arrested too? I dont want to risk ever having anything that could show up on an enhanced crb.

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rainbowtoenails · 12/07/2011 15:39

The 10 lines estimate is my guess at relatives useage. Ive seen dealer with 20-50g amounts.

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Birdsgottafly · 12/07/2011 16:01

They could try to caution you, which you could fight, tbh they expect you to pick your company wisely when you are in certain occupations, i have had to end frienships because of this.

northerngirl41 · 12/07/2011 17:41

I have to say that the police will do very little unless you can give them specific evidence or a time when the dealer will be openly trading.

We had a dealer opposite us who was literally dealing from his front door to young kids, and also using them as runners. The police pointed out "It could be anything he's giving them - we have no proof" - um, you could seize and test it??? But they really aren't interested unless it is a big druglord since the small fry are good informants and tend to not really be that well connected.

I think your best bet is to try and encourage your relative to revise their habit - either by cutting down or to stop altogether. And they really won't do that unless they want to.

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