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My neighbour has asked me to pick up my cat's poo from their garden. Literally she wants to be able to call on me to come and pick it up on an as and when basis.

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pingu2209 · 02/07/2011 09:38

I have 2 cats. They have only just started going outside, about 1 month so far. I still have a litter tray at home and they do use it but they are also beginning to 'go' outside too.

My view is that cats should not be locked in doors. I had to keep them indoors for the first 6th months because I was told by the shelter that they needed their injections, be neutered and micro chipped before they could venture outside and all that wasn't done till they were 6 months old.

I keep my cats up to date with their injections and worm/flee ointment - well they are only 7 months old at the moment, but I fully intend to keep them up to date.

There are other cats in the area. The house behind mine has 2 big cats and we are in a rural area with foxes. Also, my neighbours have a dog. Nice dog, sometimes it barks but it isn't really a problem if I'm honest. I like dogs as much as cats, I'm not anti dogs or anything.

Am I legally obliged to pick up my cats poo?

I've spoken to my mother and she has told me that I should pick up my cat's poo if the neighbour asks. The thing is, I may have to go round there each day or two to do it.

OP posts:
donnie · 04/07/2011 13:06

ps meercat in parts of the USA you'd be able to do just that (witht eh shotgun, I mean).

Malcontentinthemiddle · 04/07/2011 13:08

I have read them, but I don't see that it makes any difference - OP knows her cat is shitting there, the neighbour knows it, she should sort it out, IMO! Preferably before her neighbour does, in a more Donnie-esque style!

Daviddad · 04/07/2011 13:10

Having other people's cats poo in your garden is annoying. Nobody can be sure it was your cat that did the particular turds but you can be sure it was not your neighbour's since they don't have a cat. If I was them I would be asking you to do the same thing and clean it up, but not really expecting you to help, for the reasons above.
Maybe your neighbour could come and crap on your lawn at 2am and see how you feel about it?

thehairybabysmum · 04/07/2011 13:11

YABU

I have a cat, a yard and despite having a litter tray, i know my cat does go in next doors garden sometimes. I regularly offer to go round and clear up after her as i think that this is my problem as it is MY cat. Yes other cats use it as well but thats by the by really.

Cat poo is revolting, even more so if you dont actaully own a moggy! Put some gloves on and bob round every other day...will only take 2 minutes surely.

WhipMeIndiana · 04/07/2011 13:14

cant wait to get my son's waterpistol and shoot it at our neighbours cats, we have 3 who come and poo in our garden, it is really annoying.

PrettyMeerkat · 04/07/2011 13:39

donnie And that's why I don't live in the US! That's one crazy law!

Malcontentinthemiddle You are missing the point. The neighbour says its the OPs cats but the OP doesn't know that for herself, only what the neighbour has said. The OP has seen other cats in the neighbours garden so it could easily be them. As the neighbour has made previous jugemental comments about the OP I would be VERY reluctant to believe what she says.

Saggyoldclothcatpuss · 04/07/2011 13:42

*"Yet another post by me, think I'm just arguing with myself now but I have a serious question.

A lot of the posters on here have said that they pick up after their dogs and are responsibly pet owners, and so cat owners should be responsible for their pets poo as well . . .

Well, I remember before it became law to pick up dog poo, the streets were ALWAYS covered in poo, I was always treading in it. I never saw anyone ever pick up a dog poo. If they did people would have asked why they were doing that and yuck it's disgusting/you're carrying poo around! etc. There were no red bins to put it in.

I am convinced that the only reason people pick up after their dogs now is because it's the law, and because you can be fined it you don't/told off by anyone who sees. Plus it's become the norm, due to the law. If the law hadn't changed dog owners wouldn't have suddenly started picking up the poo and our streets would still be covered in it. So you may think you are morally superior but actually you are just avoiding getting into trouble.

This makes it not comparable to cat poo. So there! ......."*

A lot of the posters on here have said that they pick up after their dogs and are responsibly pet owners, and so cat owners should be responsible for their pets poo as well . . .

Well, its not law law to pick up cat poo, peoples gardens are ALWAYS covered in poo, its awful, treading in it. No one ever picks up a cat poo. If they did people would ask why they were doing that and yuck it's disgusting/you're carrying poo around! etc.

I am convinced that the only reason people dont pick up after their cats now is because it's not the law, and because you cant be fined it you don't/told off by anyone who sees. Plus it's the norm, due to the law. If the law changed and cat owners suddenly started picking up the poo, our gardens wouldnt still be covered in it. So you may think you are morally superior but actually you just dont have to avoid getting into trouble.

This makes it comparable to cat poo. So there!

If dog owners are controlled by the law, cat owners are hiding behind it.

SoloAgainItSeems · 04/07/2011 13:45

Not much worse than cat poo in your otherwise lovely garden IMO. You should clean it up.

OracleInaCoracle · 04/07/2011 13:45

meerkat, the neighbours behaviour toward the op is ime a red herring. the op is using that as an excuse to avoid responsibility and is engaging in a nasty tit for tat war. the neighbour might be a bitch. Im not doubting that. but the op is behaving like a child and is coming off pretty badly herself.

OracleInaCoracle · 04/07/2011 13:46

If dog owners are controlled by the law, cat owners are hiding behind it.

Malcontentinthemiddle · 04/07/2011 13:46

If she lives next door to her and has a cat with an anus, it's quite likely that at least some of the shit has come out of that cat's anus, and she knows it.

OP just doesn't want to do it because 1) she doesn't like the neighbour and 2) she doesn't like picking up her animals faeces.

I think that's unreasonable.

vnmum · 04/07/2011 14:34

lissie If only every other dog owner was as responsible as you but sadly they aren't. Around here they seem to think that they don't have to clean it up if it is not on a footpath, so they leave it if it is on paths through woods etc (paths that are public footpaths)

meerkat I agree, some of the laws in the US are mad

manicmummyonadietcokebreak · 04/07/2011 15:11

meerkat I was responding to OP statement that keeping her cats indoors is 'cruel' I have 3 beautiful cats, indoor cats and am sick of being told it's cruel for them to only have the house to live in. It's crueller IMO for these domesticated animal to be out ripping innocent native wild life apart, they are wild animals not a fur ball breed to look nice and to someone's specifications, is a pit ball mauling a poor child 'the circle of life ' ? My 3 cats are happy heathy and do not cause health issues to others.

manicmummyonadietcokebreak · 04/07/2011 15:19

whipmeindiana Ive tried that, damn things are to quick, am going have to get a holster, with 2 'loaded' shooters, ready all the time! Might get a cowboy hat and a match to complete the look Grin
Love what Clarkson said a week ago ( and I don't often agree with him!) re his neighbours dog barking, he coated it in dye when it barked in the night, so his neighbours kept it indoors, I'm sure a couple of super soakers loaded with some diluted red veg dye on every cat I caught shiteing in my kids toys would make my neighbours think Wink

CurlyBoy · 04/07/2011 15:40

"CurlyBoy Well you're a domesticated human being so I see no reason why YOU shouldn't be kept indoors. Stick that in your pipe . . ."

I see PrettyMeerkat that you've decided to bring out your intelligent comments.

Our two cats are purrfectly happy staying inside and in our little fenced in yard. They don't poop in anyone's yard or kill anything and they are going to live long, healthy lives. If you all want to let your animals run free to piss off your neighbours and leave them at risk of traffic, environmental toxins and sadistic dogs and children then go for it. I think you're wrong but I'm sure you don't give a shit. I'm the responsible pet owner, not you.

manicmummyonadietcokebreak · 04/07/2011 15:44

Hear, hear! curly!

takethisonehereforastart · 04/07/2011 16:23

OP this thread has gone one for so many pages now but I think if you read back in the first couple you will really have your answers.

Yes, it does sound like your neighbour has issues with you and is a bit snooty. However with this issue you are giving her a reason to be and you really don't seem interested in resolving it with her.

In one of your posts on page two you've perhaps explained the entire problem of her snootiness with this: "We have a lovely garden but are not keen gardeners so other than the odd tidy, we are not too worried - but the neighbours now are keen gardeners. When we lived in the new housing estate, most gardens were postage stamp sized and people were not especially garden proud."

I'm not saying that her attitude is right, but she's seen you arrive in your house with the lovely garden, she's a very keen gardener, and you say you have no interest in yours other than a quick tidy round.

If she's judging you on appearence then this is right where I think it started. She cares about and spends time on her garden and she will judge others on the state of thiers (and we all do it about something.)

And now her lovely garden that she has worked long and hard on is being spoilt for her by cats she believes belong to you.

In the same post I just quoted you also said "I do see the logic behind: 'they are your pet so you clean up after them.' I guess I am questioning for a number of reasons, which I realise do not challenge the above logic."

Well, that logic is her logic and that's why she has asked you to clean up in her garden. By refusing to clean up now you are challenging that logic.

But if you really do not want to clean up in her garden then you still should do something.

Even your most vocal supporters on here have admitted that cats wander far and wide and shit while they do it. You can blame the other neighbours cats all you like but yours are going to the toilet somewhere other than your garden and their litter tray. Put aside the issue of ownership for the particular pile of shit in her garden. You own cats that are shitting somewhere and that shit ultimately belongs to you. Because I don't buy this 'caretaker of cats' argument, if someone stole or harmed that cat you'd be saying "my cat!" quicker than it could shit in a newly dug flower bed. You own the cat, you own the shit.

So even though she might be wrong and it's not your cats, or only your cats, that are shitting in her garden, you have to accept that they might be responsible for some of it and they are definately doing it somewhere.

As this particular neighbour has complained, and this issue really is only going to get worse, can you not agree with her some of the other solutions that have been offered to you here?

Buy her the sonic repelling gadget and the smelly sticks that someone linked here. Tell here that if she catches your cats in the act you fully support her squirting them with water.

Be the bigger person, as even your own mother thinks you should be, before you become one of those people you read about in the papers who have had a 20 year running feud with their neighbours over two inches of hedging and a pot plant a cat that will be long dead while the argument and unpleasantness live on.

To do otherwise is to run the risk of all that and have a letter box filled with poo in the middle of the night or your cats harmed, made ill or even killed if the neigbour takes matters into her own hands and resorts to some of the things discussed here (such as the broken glass, chilli pepper or poison).

vnmum · 04/07/2011 16:31

I agree that cats can be happy indoors and i don't think it is cruel to keep them indoors if they are happy. Having an enclosure is not cruel either IMO, the cats get to climb and feel fresh air etc whilst being safe from whatever the dangers are in the area. Ideally a cat should be allowed out to roam but some are quite happy to stay indoors and an indoor cat or enclosure is much better than a squashed cat on a road. certain circumstances would mean it would be better for the cat to be enclosed, i.e very busy road, high population of cats in the area leading to lots of fight injuries etc.

We would love a Maine coon and would not really want a pedigree cat to be roaming the neighbourhood for fear of theft or injury so I would enclose our garden with this, so all the cats could still go out but only in our garden.

OracleInaCoracle · 04/07/2011 16:41

takethisone, great post. really, truly brilliant.

vnmum: lissie If only every other dog owner was as responsible as you but sadly they aren't. Around here they seem to think that they don't have to clean it up if it is not on a footpath, so they leave it if it is on paths through woods etc (paths that are public footpaths)

thank you, it is disgusting and I loathe having to tell ds "watch your step" as we walk to school. thankfully, our new area seem to take clearing up pet mess more seriously. I was always taught that my dogs poo in one field has a knock on effect with the wild animals and game that live in that field. if, for example, said dog craps at the entrance of a badger set, it may stop the badger returning home. plus, domestic animal crap is not good for the grass/soil. its great that the law now hold people to account for not clearing up after their dogs, but the "its not illegal to leave cat crap, but it is for dogs - thats for a reason" argument holds no water.

PrettyMeerkat · 04/07/2011 16:41

manicmummyonadietcokebreak It's crueller IMO for these domesticated animal to be out ripping innocent native wild life apart, . . . is a pit ball mauling a poor child 'the circle of life ' ? My 3 cats are happy heathy and do not cause health issues to others.

I have already answered a query re. the circle of life thing above but have reposted below for your convenience: Smile

PrettyMeerkat Mon 04-Jul-11 12:06:05

kveta No I wouldn't. That is because dogs can be hugely dangerous animals and need to be trained properly to avoid it killing people and particularly children! A dog that is capable of killing a cat is capable of killing a small child. A cat that is capable of killing a bird is, well, only capable of that!

Using the fact that cats can kill birds or other animals as a reason to object to their poo is rather strange and off the point. Birds kill worms but I wouldn't use that a reason to do, well anything! It's what they do!

OracleInaCoracle · 04/07/2011 17:06

meerkat, i think manicmummy was making the point that you cant use the "wild animal" card when it pleases you.

JoySzasz · 04/07/2011 17:12

Right,such a long thread but:

One thing to remember is...the op is putting out a tray for her cats.

The tray contains 6 turds at the end of the day (a normal amount for 2 cats)

No cat/cats will produce much more than this if at all.

Therefore all other debate is a futile ...the neighbor is a nut and is working hard to control and make OP feel bad...

PrettyMeerkat · 04/07/2011 17:14

That's what I have been trying to say JoySzasz

lissielou Really? That's what she was saying? I couldn't get my head around it myself!

takethisonehereforastart · 04/07/2011 17:17

If it were as simple as putting out a tray then mumsnet would be as free from threads like these as the gardens of cat free homes would be of cat shit.

JoySzasz · 04/07/2011 17:23

Yes,pretty I noticed :) Wink

takethis I think it very rare for an outside cat to be provided with a tray.

The OP needs to try and find out what other cats in the neighborhood,that could be having such a wild poo party!

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