Do the teachers really get 13 weeks hols a year?

[GabbyLoggon]

I only ask the questions

Well, notarially only one way to take it as I and a few others have not interpreted it as in any way rude.
Why would a school age child be doing 1st class degree maths?

Ds1 was at school with a couple of the best maths students in the country one of whom did not drop a single mark in combined maths a level papers and he isn't doing degree standard work

maypole, she means you don't cover degree level maths at GCSE.

Lets have a teachwer on. Who is good at the job and thinks its a cushy working life.

Every place I have workedsome is ploughed under some fucker is having an easy time.

Lets get real; and less of a teacher biased answers. You teach kids. To be politicians I suspect. (Of course you must say if you are connected with teaching to make any sense at all)

ON CANDOUR...5 out of 10 must do better.

It is my understanding (and I'm not the most political of teachers) that we are paid for contact hours with the children, so Mon-Fri term time only.

We are not paid for holidays, but because our salary is spread over 12 months there is a misconception that we are piad for the holidays.

There is no limit legally on what headteachers can ask of you. An example would be when I recieved an e-mail on Saturday saying the deadline for reports had been moved, they were now expected by 9am Monday. I told DH this, and he said "So she's not even trying to hide the fact that you are expected to work at weekends?"

Um, no, she's not. She can ask what she likes of me outside of my contracted hours.

maypole - when it comes to education I'd chose te person with their best ability to deal with a class of 30 and the one who is best at putting information across, rather than someone who has the best grade. So much of teaching is about way more than the actual subject knowledge after a certain point. Obviously you need to be well read in your subject, but there is no point in having a double first from Oxford if you can't get a class of 30 to understand what you are saying.

So, who do you want teaching your child:

Double first Oxbridge teacher who can't talk to the children in a way they understand??

or

Third classification degree from on old poly but who has a real rapport with the children and can pitch the inforamtion at just the right level so they understand it?

Now obviously these are two extremes and most are somewhere in between, but just wanted to make the point that in teaching it isn't always the person with the highest qualification who makes th ebest teacher.

notarially ?

That is interesting maypole

Would you chose a seriously shit teacher with poor organization and crap mentoring skills with a 1st over a great teacher with enthusiasm, empathy and clear communication skills with a 3rd?

Genuine question

maypole, she means you don't cover degree level maths at GCSE

Thank you TotemPole

Well, maypole it appears that several people don't think I was being rude about your child, and disagree with your assertion that it's the only way to take it

Is Gabby always like this or has he taken something?

Every place I have workedsome is ploughed under some fucker is having an easy time.

Gabby, what does that mean?

X-posted hulababy

there is no point in having a double first from Oxford if you can't get a class of 30 to understand what you are saying

Absolutely.

Would you chose a seriously shit teacher with poor organization and crap mentoring skills with a 1st over a great teacher with enthusiasm, empathy and clear communication skills with a 3rd?

I'd like to know that too.

Gabby is always like this

Always comes on to flame then? Does he actually have any gainful employment?

A couple of my friends are teachers,as is my cousin and 2 of hubbys cousins!
They always seem to be doing marking, prep, writing reports etc in the evenings. My friend in particular says it's very stressful

I'm an ex teacher (taught for 10 years ins chools, then in prison ed for 3 years), not particulalry political at all. Now working as a TA in primary and having a ball; all the good bits I get to do :) Do get riled on Mn over the years with the teacher bashing - but hey ho, been on her for 8 years now so it isn't going to change. I left teaching for many reasons - poor pupil behaviour not dealt with due to poor management and lack of discipline, and partly sue to the stresses and workload and the fact that I didn't find it overly familiy friendly.

I'm sure I read that Gov is going to make a 2:2 the minimum.

It is an interesting argument though as my sister had a bf with a 1st from Oxford(no teaching qualifications what so ever) who taught in an extremely posh boys school.Now I seriously wouldn't have wanted him teaching any of my 3.My dad is uber bright gets top marks in everything-he was crap at teaching me O'level maths.

For primary I'm guessing a 3rd wouldn't be so much an issue but for the very bright in secondary surely to be truly stretched say in maths they'd need a pretty talented mathematician?

He reminds me of chris2005 ah happy days with Simon

I left teaching for many reasons - poor pupil behaviour not dealt with due to poor management and lack of discipline, and partly sue to the stresses and workload

Me too. Some of my work takes me to prisons, but not on the educational side.

Look its philosophical me dear. You could not get an MP to tell you in straight language about his free time.

WHY? Paqrtly because its up to him. He has the choice. Do teachers clock in? Who calls the shots in an individaul school?

I went to a village school where the head left early for cinema on wed and told us about the film on thurs.

'GabbyLoggon Tue 28-Jun-11 14:43:35
It looks a bit open-ended to me as though teachers can only really speak for what they do. (Not the profession) Are you teachers a bit like politicians on the subject of holidays.? (No offence intended.) you would have a chickem plucking job to work out an MPs holidays? DITTO teachers? No special pleading please'

Bull-eeeeeeet!

With things as they stand an NQT with a 3rd or a 2:2 would find it pretty tough getting a job anyway, not without links to the school already ar some might glowing references. Even 15 years ago, when I was applying, schools wouldn't have considered you without a decent grade in your degree. I was told you needed a 2:1 or you would struggle.

A 2:2 these days is probably of a lower standard than a Third from days gone by.

ilovesooty - I quite enjoyed the prison work. Left after three years as it is a strange environment to be in for a long time. I did initially teach there but when on to do advice and guidance work on a 1:1 basis with the men. Still in education though, still needed my teaching quals. Very interesting, if sometimes surreal.