TO SAY It is being said that current pop music is coming close to being porno

[GabbyLoggon]

What do you think.? I point out that I am much older than most of you and seem to have taken a lifelong interest in pop music. I remember the sex pistols causing a rumpus years ago.....that black geezer did My Ding A ling (chuck Berry) and Mary whitehouse complained.

The American thought Presleys [umping hips would end civilisation.. I gather what is being objected to now is videos.

On Ga Ga I think she is just a well-worked publicity stunt.

People are daft (and have short meomories).

Just makes me want to play sweary music very load

Yanbu.

And dance about in hotpants with a bikini top made of bacon.

Lovecat

i remember that song

and i have some absolute FILTH on cd....but i don't call it 'pop' and it's not marketed to the masses

Does that mean that the masses aren't allowed to enjoy filth then, Monica?

Jenai

not at all, it's available to everyone.

this nasty pop is marketed 'to' the masses not for

i'm sure you know what i mean, wanna come over and listen to a 'Transplants' album later

music now is generally shite and relies on sex to sell as the songs certainly don't alone now.

seasick steve sells without resorting to pimping his booty though doesn't he

Who on earth is seasick steve Nicespam? I am intrigued.

It's not even risque anymore (casts mind back to Madonna's ridiculous cone shaped corsetry) - it is truly just gratuitous.

However I do remember my parents trying to get me to pipe down in the car while I was happily and obliviously singing "Like a Virgin, Touched for the very first time"

The semi-clad/virtually naked women grinding in the pornopop videos are usually grinding over fully clothed men. Pfffffft.

Speaking as some one who loves machine (fuckin') head as they call themselves and used to bad language I have to say I was not impressed at hearing this song by 2live crew in the arcade of my local bowlplex and vue

www.songlyrics.com/2-live-crew/face-down-ass-up-lyrics/

Them performing it !

Yep, I think a lot of us think it has gone too far

Well, it's symptomatic, isn't it? Of a lot of things going wrong...instant gratification, rampant materialism, whatever other bones you can pick...all fodder for the manufacturers.

I hate it on the X Factor when one of the judges pipes up with "and if you can find a good writer to write for you, you could really go far!". As if they're such unique spirits that the writer (!) would adapt the fashion to suit them.

It's pornification in my view.

I think Dara O'Brain (sp?) said it on The Apprentice: You're Fired quite well: Sex....sells....sex.

Two things in particular annoy me about the pornopop - firstly that it's symptomatic of a cynical industry that has sod all to do with music and everything to do with who can thrust their crotch around (probably with cash stuffed down it as well). Bands and singers with half an ounce of talent don't need that crap IMO.

The main thing I hate is that there's no getting away from it. Sex in lyrics is definitely nothing new ('Wet Dream' from 1970ish is pretty unambiguous) but I don't remember Relax being played on buses and in shopping centres in the 1980s. My aerobics class has a load of middle-aged women gyrating to Rhianna, which makes me cringe. I like a lot of songs I wouldn't necessarily play to my daughter ("Heroin" by the Velvet Underground for example) but I can choose not to, whereas I don't seem to be able to go anywhere that doesn't have songs about S&M, women being hit (and apparently enjoying it) or whatever blaring out at us. It doesn't do us any favours when trying to explain to our daughters to respect themselves as people rather than objects.

That said, I loved 'Pass the Dutchie' when I was a kid - I thought a dutchie was a biscuit of some sort

Darlene - not picking on you but what makes you turn off the XF and allow 18 rated films? Is it the sex? What kind of 18 films do you think are OK for an 8yo in comparison? Genuine question, am not starting a ruck.

Gabby, as ever I agree with whatever you say. I hate all songs in the Hit Parade anyway . What's wrong with Val Doonican after all?

nicespam I love seasick steve too :)

and yes the music, I say 'music' but it is hardly that, and the videos are appalling. My daughter is in her late teens and even she agrees that they are far too sexual.

the early sexualization, especialy of girls is , in itself a way to rebell, the kids realise that the adults are uncomfortable with it so they do it more , it's something that belongs to them that we dont like, these kids cant shock us with the sex pistols like we could with our parents .
as for pornopop, i have fewer issuse with porn than most here on MN but i dont need it to become mainstream , porn has it's place , but not in pop that kids look at
seems to me it's to do with groups running out of thyems , producers doing anything that might sell a few more records , and marketing guys urging the sexual side of things .

weltscherz
i also love the velet underground , you dislike the s&m stuff , well yes it isnt for childres, ears. on that same album, there is the song 'venus in furs' this is an s&m song, taken from the book venus in furs''writtemin the 1800's by cound leopold sacher masoc , a 20th century academic , kraft-ebber, in his essy on sexual dysfunction used his name to discribe the self depricating compulsion we now call masocism. it was also him that coined the term sadism from marquis de sade ...but i digress.,
your right to shelter your kids from stuff they cant understand yet.

weltschmerz I agree that not only (in my view) has porn come to pervade other areas of our lives including pop, exposing our children very early to a ridiculous view of sexuality but that as you pointed out - the pornopop is being piped out everywhere. There was a thread a while ago on here in AIBU where a woman asked for a LadyGaga video to be turned off/over in a dentist's waiting room because she had her 4 yr old DD (and teen DS) there and she thought it was inappropriate. We do seem to have reached a stage where if it is set to music which is in the charts any music video is now acceptable mainstream viewing/listening material.

SugarPasteFrog I used to like Rihanna in the early days but now...it's ALL sexual with her. Her publicity team/record label think they're on a roll and why wouldn't they?

I just never get why the It's just porn brigade never make the connection between the ever-earlier sexualisation of children and the pervasiveness of porn culture.

Waaaaaayy back in the 80s when I was a teenager (misty eyed nostalgia) there was King (Love and Pride) and some band whose name escapes me but sang'This Corrosion' The cameras just homed in on lead singers crotches. Very blatent, this was on TOTP!!. Showing my age, I am OLD.

DS sings songs,he has nooo idea what the lyrics mean. Except Gaybar by Electric 6. The little blighter knows exactly what that's about but thankfully the video is over his head.

I actually don't mind the song lyrics even Riahnna's S&M, there has always been lyrics that are controversial that kids don't click on too. I remember singing "Acieeeeed, acieeeeeeed", when I was about 9. My mum told me not sing it, I had no idea why. It's the frigging videos and performances and ads that I have a problem with. Apart from Duran Duran's Girl's On Film and Motley Crue's Girls, Girls Girls, I can't remember anything like what we have today when I was a kid in the 80's (when the pop video was born). At least the above were banned before the watershed.

I can only watch bloody VH1 when my dds are around. What with the "Call On Me" video (I love that song), any Rihanna video, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Shakira etc it's unbelievable!

When DH used to go to the gym and DS went for karate that feckin ' Call on me , Valerie' video was always playing on the massive TV screen with all those leotard crotch shots.
Fine to inspire the treadmill runners " Hey I could look like that if I run faster/further/better"

But had to turn DCs chairs away from the screen.
And it was in the charts for weeks

I have worked in the music industry & I have worked as a stripper. I think the music video's / promo films today should be age certificated & do not understand why they are not.

Years ago the content of a video would be based on whether it would get shown on the saturday morning Chart Show, because if it was, that would help sales. To be shown on that show it had to be saturday morning kids TV friendly.

Many video's had 2 edits the child friendly saturday morning edit & the adult edit.

With the demise of the Chart Show & the ascent of the music channels, their is no regulation. So content that shouldn't be shown to children on another channel is easily available on the many music channels.

Much of the choreography on music videos consists of 'stripper moves'.

It's simple. Music promo films should be certificated & shown on TV accordingly. Including PIN protection for the certificates.

It's all just done because of a distinct lack of talent. Pop music in general (not all, there is some good stuff out there) now is as auto-tuned and polished as it ever was, but there seems to be a lack of any song-writing ability or (at the risk of sounding a bit prude-y) moral compass within the industry.

When I was a teenybopper (only a decade ago, mind!) I loved Steps, the Spice Girls and S Club 7. They were just fun, weren't they? You could bounce about with your mates and do the stupid dance moves. The girls in those bands didn't have to ponce about in their underwear to sell their music, because it was good. And fun.

I don't want to see scantily-clad women crawling over blokes in a "sexy" way. It's a boring accompaniment to equally boring music. I love it when a music video tells a story, and agree with SugarPasteFrog - everything on the pop channels is a carbon copy of everything else. And it's shit.

Give me Kerrang! any day. Even if they've gone down the pan too, it's still better than this shite.