SOME POSTERS IMPLY WOMEN are as violent as MEN Study the prison figures, please

[ScousyFogarty]

Last prison figures I saw.

About 70,000 men in prison. Against 8,000 or so women. (enormous difference.)

FOOTBALL? I have watched good stuff from men and women. Men much more violent and cheat much more than women

SAYING SORRY? Many men are emotionally incapable of saying SORRY...they think it is Cissy and see themselves as Clint Eastwood.

DRIVING ACCIDENTS? Some reasearch suggest women drivers are much less likely to be speed hogs and racers on open road.

TO SAY WOMEN ARE LIKE MEN is to libel most women. (And you might end up peeing in the wrong toilet)

I do of course generalise. I can name examples of bad women. But men are in the Premier League.

Primal scream Has given us one of the reasons men are more violent than women. So its tessa Toss-Terone that makes us men more violent. That does not alter the fact it goes some way to explaining it.

HMRG(?) the last site was about boys and pigeon chasing. Hardly any girsl?
Is it Tess Tooser again? BATTY....that women are less violent than men in general terms...(stop pretending to be dumb Batty)

MAYOR you have not challenged anything. You are just a plea for secrecy. Pull your own chAIN

And there are figures behind the figures - men are more likely to have drink and/or drug problems, gambling problems - these issues can lead to crime - plus men are more likely to be let down by social services -
A women will be given more help.

As I said I'm inclined by upbringing to think of women as being more kind, more decent etc than men.

However when I'm objective about it I'd have to say that morally women are really no better than men. Just that the way they express it might be different because of biological differences. So (oversimplifying a lot) men will do bad things in a loud and obvious way.

Of course if what you're measuring is 'loudness' then you win. If you're measuring 'better or worse' then it's more complex than that.

I don't know for sure about the difference in prison populations, but it's been pointed out that it's different for black people so maybe not what it seems. For what it's worth even though I know better I'd find it harder to send a woman to prison than a man.

I'm not challenging anything because there's very little to challenge in what you said.
Bar the statistic with regards to prison figures there's nothing left to challenge.
Your anectdotle evidence that male footballers are more violent and cheat more is flimsy and in my experience incorrect.
The fact that you believe some men are incapable of saying sorry is once again the kind of statement that requires clarification before it can be challenged, as essentially the only response could be "so fucking what?". some women are incapable of saying sorry and even if true doesn't prove anything wrt men being more violent.
Ditto the driving research, nothing to do with violence.
The fact that you think saying men and women are the same is to libel most women simply shows a) your ignorance of the law becauae you can't libel someone via oral statements and also to be defamatory it must lower the standing of the person in the view of right minded members of soceity, simply because you individually feel it is defamatory does not mae it so and b) it simply says more about your view of men than it does to prove any discernable facts which can be challenged. All it proves is that you think less of men than you do of women.

Males are obviously more violent they are hormonally and genetically wired to be so generally (not talking individuals). You will never be able to get rid of that what can be done is channeling it into more recreational activities. Also it is vital that boys have a positive male role model in their life you will find the majority of men in prisons lack that.

I'm not pretending to be dumb, maybe I am, because I don't understand what point you are trying to argue.

I'm a criminology student and have spent the best part of a year on a module called 'Violent Crime', for which I received 85% (the highest in the class of approx 70 people) for my essay on 'treating' violent offenders.

So excuse me for not being able to understand you, it is not the concept I was struggling with I can assure you.

Mayor you are bending the truth as if it was plasticine. You mean what is written by me as the headline is obviouslyy true. Why quibble?

Batty Prison figures are a strong pointer if its 76,000 blokes to 4,000 lasses.

The men would nearlyfill wembley stadia. The women Ilkeston town

5-Live may be discussing it for all I knw. The pigeon debate would be great on phone-in Bring back Logan

But statistics don't give an accurate representation at times, men are more likely to be given no help, you will also find that those in poverty are more likely to take part in crime. Which is why the black American (and Hispanic) prison population is so high compared to the white population because so many of them are in poverty.

Primal scream is the star of this debate. He does figures

Good point straight But usa confuse our position

Why quibble?

because you have followed up your initial premise with non-sensical and irrelevant arguments.

MAYOR the headline is true and those who think women are more violent than men have no evidence The evidence is on my side. D

Primal Scream is the star of the debate. He did evidence, figures logic, no abuse

Straight I think doing usa makes it too complex.

Batty respect quals. I thought your post was a bit nasty.

That women are not more violentthan men as some posters argue. Batty

I know loads of women that have been involved in drugs (quite big things), stealing very large amounts etc but women dont get caught cause no one ever suspects a woman. I think that definitely affects figures for arrest but obviously its a good thing if you are female as it means you can get away with most things.

Couldn't you use the same idiotic argument about prison population to point towards the Afro Caribbean or Asian community

Here are some figures that might give cause for thought, although they refer specifically to DV.

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

"Data from Home Office statistical bulletins and the British Crime Survey show that men made up about 40% of domestic violence victims each year between 2004-05 and 2008-09, the last year for which figures are available. In 2006-07 men made up 43.4% of all those who had suffered partner abuse in the previous year, which rose to 45.5% in 2007-08 but fell to 37.7% in 2008-09.

Similar or slightly larger numbers of men were subjected to severe force in an incident with their partner, according to the same documents. The figure stood at 48.6% in 2006-07, 48.3% the next year and 37.5% in 2008-09, Home Office statistics show.

The 2008-09 bulletin states: "More than one in four women (28%) and around one in six men (16%) had experienced domestic abuse since the age of 16. These figures are equivalent to an estimated 4.5 million female victims of domestic abuse and 2.6 million male victims."

Something in that Dora....but not too much....Men are usually physically stronger. They do more damage when violent. (That why I never played rugby) Women have babies; and broadly speaking stand by them. (Men often f+ck off... Male murder rate is much higher than female.

In the past police ignored domestics. Its different now. (allegedly)

ClintMacready. Ask the prison service ot Home office if they keep statistics you refer to

Depends a lot of women abort kids when they dont want it whereas men dont have have that choice. We are lucky we only have to have babies when we want them I would hate to be a man for that reason

PRIMAL SCREAM is still front runner

So you approve of dads fucking off, me dear

Not a social worker or a Fair deal For Mums...officianado?