to think that John Hemming is a dangerous man?

[Spero]

For all the Hemming apologists - please read this.

www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2011/04/27/hemming-an-abuse-of-privilege/

That is not your mum with a low IQ, by the way. That is a person.

It seems to me that you have stopped thinking of these people as people.

If she loves her baby and wants to take care of him, then support her. If she can't even dress herself, surely she has continuous help and/or lives in some sort of accommodation. Expand that help a bit to include help with her baby. That is the human thing to do.

I don't think JH is a dangerous man (I suspect that's what he likes to think of himself as, though) - I think he's an idiot who peddles dangerous nonsense stemming from a very personal grievance.

Quite apart from anything else, is it even vaguely credible that SS, the government, the courts, the judiciary, the police etc etc etc are all involved in a massive conspiracy to steal children from innocent parents to meet secret adoption targets - without any proof ever being leaked, whistleblown etc? Govt bureaucracy leaks like a sieve and can't co-ordinate the simplest things - it isn't efficient enough for a conspiracy like this...

Maryz - That is indeed sad. Is it because there are so few babies and young children available for adoption?

That sounds more normal than newborns and small babies adopted in large numbers.

In order to increase adoption numbers here more young babies were taken into care. I can email the stats to anyone who is interested.

I bet anyone here would be horrified if someone tried to take their DC away because of the possibility that they might be harmed in the future. Surely, you would say, you wouldn't let anything harm them, you love them, you should be given a chance to prove it.

But it's ok when it happens to other people

A small baby whose parents are fighting to keep him is hardly in danger of not being loved imho.

I am speechless for the first time in a very long time.

God help you Cote. I'd hate to live inside your head.

I agree Maryz ''many people don't understand is the harm that is done, often unintentionally, by parents who can't manage but aren't intentionally abusive''

I feel this is even more so in cases of domestic violence/emotional abuse of babies - babies can be terrified too. Living in a hostile, threatening atmosphere, punctuated by shouting, screaming and verbal abuse does have a lasting effect on the baby's emotional state and brain development. Even if they are lying quietly in a moses basket.

Let alone all the risks of injury from being dropped, hit, pushed and pulled from one parent to another.

psychological abuse should not be reason enough to take a child away, if a mother is being awful to her child realy help should be offered, we shouldnt just take that child away. its far to easy for ss to just take children away and these powers should be taken away imo. i wasnt ignoring your comments maryz

Maryz - That is closer to my understanding of adoption in mainland Europe. There needs to be actual ongoing danger for a child to be removed from his family, and even then state will look into options of housing him within the extended family.

Read and learn, Spero. Here is another country where SS doesn't take away babies with stories about the future.

Maryz - If there are no signs, how do you know that there is abuse?

no children of parents of may be neglecting thier children should be offered proper help to help them learn to look after their children properly, they shouldnt be taken away. the damage done by removing a child from its family is hugely destructive.

Bucharest - No need to worry. There is very little chance of you ever living inside my head or anywhere near me for that matter.

'I agree Maryz ''many people don't understand is the harm that is done, often unintentionally, by parents who can't manage but aren't intentionally abusive'' '

So the best solution is to remove children permanently and adopt them out by force? I suppose that's cheaper than educating and supporting parents in such settings, and suits the agendas of some better.

Cote, you seem to have misunderstood Maryz post about adoption in Ireland to such an extent that it seems pointless to try and reason with you

Unsurprisingly a large proportion of forced adoptions fail with the children returning to care. Some are then re-adopted.

ada - So you think SS should remove babies from homes where parents shout at each other? If they are going through a rough patch, and shout for a few days is that ok? What about a few hours?

Where exactly do you propose to draw the line of imperfect parenthood re who can keep their much-loved babies and who can't?

Yes chinny, I don't understand what I read, a clear sign of low IQ. Call SS and tell them to remove my children

psychological abuse should not be reason enough to take a child away

I'm sorry, but you are really stupid. Go on, report me, doesn't change the fact that you are.

I work with the young adults who are the victims of psychological abuse. You know what, fuck you and your fucking ignorant, damaging opinions

There are loads of women who are victims of domestic and emotional abuse on here, who live at home with their children. They need help, not the additional threat of having their children taken away from them forever.

I'm so sure so many of you would just peacefully let someone take your own children because 'it's better for them'. My arse.

And Maryz, do you live in the UK? Why not spend the time and effort you've spent on here trying trying to change the system in Ireland?

It depends on what you call "psychological abuse".

A child is repeatedly told she is stupid - remove from her family?

A child is locked up most of the time and used as a slave - remove from her family?