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is my dd being bullied? more WWYD I guess

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whatkatydidathome · 05/05/2011 19:18

Brief background - dd is 10, very bright but not perfect (no good at science for example) but good enough at English for it to stand out to peers (lots of house points, stories read out, wins competitions etc). She is also "odd" (was ?Aspergers for a year or two, has been assessed as needing help with social skills by peadiatrician and educational psycologist) had lots of support at old first school but far less/none really now at middle school (10 - 14). We live in the sticks so no choice of school. School is very "good" (outstanding Osted etc, middle class area). We cannot afford private.

Most days at school she is "hassled" by the other children. They make fun of what she eats; what she says; how she acts etc. They say that her stories (if read out by teacher) are rubbish, that I am fat ?? (am a size 10 - not sure where they get this one from :) ). They also get her to say or do things (like run or recite a poem) and then laugh at her. She trys to avoid them but they then poke her etc until she reacts and it is all the children from what I can gather (more than just her year even) - ie she is "odd" enough for them to either ignore her or laugh.

She is very stoic but obviously bothered enough to tell me about it. She had various comfort items which she carries around out of school and has recently started to carry more of them around, more often, so I'm guessing that she is genuinely bothered.

Have been to school (several times). They deal with each individual incident but will not accept that there is any ongoing problem with her. (All they have suggested is that she is attention seeking - ie telling us about it for our attention - this is why I mention the comfort objects - ie that seems to show it is not attention seeking).

She has no friends at all - 8 months now at new school but never been asked to tea, can not ask any to tea as she says that she does not know any of the children well enough to ask them (have asked school if they can put me in touch with parents of children on her table or something but they can't).

She said the other day that it didn't bother her too much but that it was "a bit of a pain being made to feel like a freak all the time".

I can't decide if this is normal ragging that you need to learn to cope with (dhs opinion) or "girl bullying" (although being done by boys as well).

Have tried after school activities - she goes to one but all the rest locally are full with huge waiting lists (which she is on) and she does not interact with the children at the one she does go to - just the adults.

She is coping well at present but I am concerend that she will have to go into pubety with no peer group.

Any suggestions welcomed please :)

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schmee · 05/05/2011 21:12

She sounds like me at her age and it is bullying. The brilliant thing is that she is talking to you about it and you clearly have a strong relationship with her.

Bearing that in mind, you sound like you are in a great position to be her coach. I'm sure you are doing much of this, but...

Are you working with her to help her fit in? I'm not suggesting that she needs to conform completely, but is she watching the same tv programmes as the rest of the girls, etc?

Are you talking to her explicitly about how to deal with different social situations? Did the ed pych who made the assessment make any recommendations of the sort of help she needs in this area?

Chaotica · 05/05/2011 21:35

I'm sorry your daughter is going through this and the school are so crap.

I hate to suggest this, but I went through similar at that age (am still decidedly odd Wink) and would have been bullied mercilessly until 18 if I hadn't started to tell the other kids to fuck off and threaten them with extreme violence. It's not my favoured solution, but it worked. I had no less friends than previously and have not been bullied since. (It did help that I retaliated to the 'hardest' kids in school in front of my whole school at home time though.)

Otherwise, I would seriously suggest home schooling (or similar) - I hated school at that age and being made to go really messed my head up more.

Chaotica · 05/05/2011 21:38

BTW IMO trying to help her fit in might just make her miserable as she'll never keep up. Can you teach her to enjoy being different?

TheSmallClanger · 05/05/2011 21:51

I would normally agree about the fitting-in issue, but please do make sure you aren't aiding and abetting her singling-out through not allowing her things that others genuinely have. My mother did this with me until I was quite old, and I wouldn't have stood out half as much if she had let me watch various TV programmes, or wear proper teenager shoes. That said, I'm not assuming you do these things automatically.

Your local theatre probably has a youth theatre section subsidised by the council. Your council probably runs some sort of youth music school, too. Would your DD enjoy sports, or martial arts? These tend to attract a decent cross-section of children that will be a different mix from school. A more quirky sport (my DD does Rhythmic Gymnastics) might suit her personality better. Circus Skills workshops are also nice places to mix, and tend to pop up during the holidays.

Chaotica · 05/05/2011 22:01

Actually - you're right thesmallclanger (note to self when DD gets old enough). Parental advice on clothes etc is often a bad idea.

schmee · 06/05/2011 10:59

I felt slightly sick as I typed the suggestion about helping to fit in, as it goes against my mindset. But it really does help if they have some common ground to talk about/don't stand out unnecessarily.

TandB · 06/05/2011 11:14

I went through similar (not as bad - I did have friends) experience when I first changed schools at 13 and was very obviously not going to be one of the "in crowd". I was very bright at that age and also very "square" with not much knowledge of teenage stuff.

The in-crowd used to get me to do things so they could laugh at them - ask me about things I was interested in, or to show them my stuff. I learned to say openly "No, I am not going to do that as you just want to laugh at me" or "You don't mean that - you are just looking for something to tease me about". It was actually surprisingly effective. Children aren't usually terribly clever when it comes to bullying tactics - they use the same techniques again and again. After a while, it just stopped being fun and they left me alone. As soon as I wasn't an obvious target, people seemed to forget that I had ever been the officially "un-cool" one and things settled down pretty well and by the time I left school I was actually pretty popular.

It might well be that your daughter can learn to deflect some of the teasing by adopting a similar technique - if the overt teasing stops even for a while, the kids who are less involved in the bullying are likely to feel more able to include her without risk of attracting the bullies' attention themselves.

I do also agree that the school must be put on the spot, however, and made to live up to its responsibilities.

AlisonJP · 06/05/2011 11:23

That is so hard and very definitely bullying! I think you need to keep going to the school until they do something about it. I would go straight to the head.

Do you have a school nurse you could talk to? It may even be worth going to your GP and talking to them about it to see whether they have any ideas. My DD1 who is 7 struggles socially but the school are really good and address any issues immediately. They also use a buddy system and get a particular child to look out for the vulnerable children.

The excuses the school is using for not including your daughter in social groups are indefensible and just plain wrong. Your DD has as much right to help as the other children regardless of her other abilities.

All your daughter needs is one good friend who she can relate to and this will all turn around for her - I really hope this happens for her soon as I know how upsetting it can be to watch your child suffer socially.

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