AIBU to think it's ridiculous to not vaccinate children?

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Of course, if theres a proper medical reason why it shouldn't be done thats a little different, but there are some people I know who were allergic to it, the doctor advised their mothers that a swollen arm for a bit is better than the range of diseases they could catch if they didn't, so they went ahead with it. Thing is though some people are now saying that "if everyone else is vaccinated that means I don't have to". But that's just ridiculous. The more people who say that, the less children are vaccinated, the higher the risk of something potentially fatal being caught. Why won't they just give them the needle to protect them and everyone else? AIBU?

shineon

I hate that herd immunity soundbite. who's going to offer their own child up as the sacrifice to that greater good; herd immunity. Which parent can honestly say that they will put the herd above what is right for their child.

I think if medical sector would just acknowledge that vaccinations aren't always in every child's best interests and work on identifying the groups at risk, then people would trust their reccommendations.

At the moment, how can people really trust the blanket reccommendations of a sector which blatantly only cares about The Herd.

It goes:

Breastfeeding vs Formula Feeding Wars for a week
Vaccination Wars for a week (just noticed another vacc thread a bit further down)
Circumcision for a week
Parking/toilets for a week
Breastfeeding
Vaccination
Circumcision
Parking/Toilets

Hard hat - more like reading glasses

Chil: younger doctors struggle to rcognise the symptoms because they automatically discount a particular disease if the child has been vaxxed against that disease - because nothing can be said against the sacred cow that is the vaccination programme.

it is not hard to dx mumps, or measles (in cases which are not sub-clinical). my mother managed to notice it in me, and in my brothers. I would recognise the signs if I were to see them.

Any doctor who misses them is not fit to practice, tbh.

The problem comes when the doctor thinks "oh, it looks like measles, but it can't be that because X has had MMR"

or, even worse, I know several people who have had a dx f "measles-like virus", but the doc has refused further tests to rule it in or out (usually becuase the child has been vaxxed, and we couldn't possibly have it proved that measles happens in a MMR'd child, could we - much easier to blame all those hoards of non-vaxxed children )

"So we should stop vaccinating completely then?"

I wouldn't mind if all the vaccination programmes stopped. People could have them on the NHS if they wanted.

For 'the herd' don't we mean 'public health'? And what's wrong with blanket recommendations anyway? Smoking being banned in public places wasn't principally to protect the smoker but the non-smoker. The 'Clean Air Act' tackling smog was another blanket measure. Traffic laws, safety rules, hygiene regulations... we're all subject to blanket measures when it comes to public health.

I think I'm unusual in that. Most parents labelled rather unkindly as "the anti-vax brigade" would simply be happy if their decision not to vaccinate their own children could be respected rather than abused.

I would be happy to see non-vaccination being the default position, and vaccination being the chosen position. People might research it a little better too.

Roald Dahl's take on this after having lost his daughter to measles encephalitis. No need to say anything else, really.

Unfortunately chil the damage being done by vaccines isn't yet known or fully understood.

Those measures were put in place when the damage from smoking was understood, and the damage from smog and sulphur too, and the damage done by a 30mph car over a 20mph car.

But the risk-benefit of vaccines is an unknown.

Shine - I haven't seen one of those for a while actually. But the quality of troll lately has been DIRE.

Widow: there are many cases of children damaged and killed by vaccines. I could say "no need to say anything else really" but I've thought about it a little harder than that.

gooseberry, I'd say the fact we are not all worried about contracting smallpox is quite a positive risk benefit.

Gooseberrybushes, and unlike Roald Dahl's story, their stories are dismissed as hysterical nonsense. All of them. ALLLLLLLL of them are wrong.

Hopefully that was a flippant comment alistron: you can't have meant it seriously as a justification for all vaccination campaigns. I doubt you know anything about the statistics or history surrounding smallpox vaccination?

And all those parents are paranoid hysterical liars. They disguise themselves well as rational, intelligent, well informed people who knew their children and were pro-vaccination until a terrible event.

Yes Gooseberry, totally agree. Conspiracy NOT to uncover by demonising hundreds and hundreds of intelligent rational parents as hysterical.