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AIBU?

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An AIBU about DS's dad/access/handovers

8 replies

mummery · 18/04/2011 07:53

I've posted before about my ex, who is, to sum up, intimidating, bullying, jealous, and verbally agressive. We have a 7 yr old DS but split when I was pg, have attempted to be friendly in the past but are now acrimonious.

I have had contact with my local police's domestic abuse unit, ex has never hit me but he is threatening and nasty esp by phone and text.

Ex has DS for one overnight per week and one evening/dinner, I let him pick DS up from my home as long as he doesn't come up to the front door or attempt to speak to me in person.

Two problems have manifested recently. One is, ex's behaviour on pick ups. I always give a half hour window for him to come eg 4.30 - 5pm. He agrees and then turns up early. Yesterday Ds and I were heading home from the park and ex was standing on a street corner just along from our house. He followed us home (half an hour before pick up time), I didn't notice. He texted to say "You do know I'm waiting outside?" I replied that he was early/we weren't ready and he texted something nasty back. He was right outside the house, I peeped through the curtains, he stood there leaning on my car the whole time.

The police advisor said I should phone them and report it if ex acted in any way threatening or harrassed me. We dicussed how it would be a grey area if he wasn't actually doing anything to break the law or 'disturb the peace'. In retrospect now I'm thinking maybe I should have called them while he was here. AIBU? Would that have been a massive overreaction? I've been awake since 3am thinking about this. Like I said, ex has never been physical but knows I am easy to frighten in the sense that he can do 'small' and apparently (to other people) insignificant things which actually do leave me quite anxious. Also, would IBU to still go ahead and file a report about this? Would the police think I was overreacting?

Second problem (bear with me!) is ex's behaviour while ds is visiting. For one, he is telling ds that 'mum doesn't like dad but dad still likes mum.' Hence ds coming home and asking me (repeatedly) why I don't like dad, why won't I be friends with him, please can we be friends, crying about it etc. Also ex's conduct when ds is visiting. This is more of a parenting issue I guess. Ex works saturday night and has ds on fri. It's apparent he keeps him up until round about midnight. I've phoned ds at 10pm and he's in the middle of a film eating sweets. I think ex does this to get a lie in on saturday. DS doesn't get a lie in though, I pick him up to take him to a sports class which starts at ten am and the coach notices when a kid's too tired to cope. It's an important class for ds, for his self-esteem as much as anything - he's come a long way and made a real effort to do it and has recently been selected to compete. Also of course it impedes on the rest of his weekend. He's wrecked for most of saturday and needs to go to bed even earlier than his normal time.

I've told ds to try to make sure he gets a good night's rest when he's at his dad's but of course he's only 7 (a young 7 at that) and this is not nor should be his call. Speaking to his dad is difficult because I just get abuse in return and also for the sake of my own mental health I am trying not to have any contact with ex except the bare minimum. So, next AIBU: would it be wrong to tell ex that I want to pick ds up at bedtime on fri (say 9.30pm) and bring him home to sleep?

FWIW ds often complains about going to his dad's. I encourage it (not entirely sure why anymore) and I think he enjoys it while he's there however he complains to me about being 'hardly able to wake up' or unable to get out of bed on a saturday morning.

Thanks for reading, this is long. So 2 AIBUs: police report, and cut the overnighter. Please be honest if you think I'm being a control freak. Or any other kind of freak.

OP posts:
dontcallmepeanut · 18/04/2011 08:03

On both cases, YANBU! No one has the right to put you through that, and he should NOT be playing DS as a pawn in his games to get back at you.

I have to ask for clarification, who's hardly able to get up on Saturday morning? DS or his dad. If DS, it might be worth asking about bed times, etc. If it's his dad, I'd be concerned that he's not taking care of DS in the mornings.

CUKAmbassador · 18/04/2011 08:27

From one perspective(even though you split up when pg) the father is still around 7 years later. It does sound like he hasn't moved on(and you don't mention a partner) so perhaps the same. That's probably a very strong indicator of their resentment on his part('she's still waiting for me')

The part I would find annoying is the 1/2 hour slot. Especially if you know dad is going to turn up earlier. he wants to spend as much time as possible and an ex-partner who knowingly drags their feet to be awkward would annoy(either way). So maybe being a bit more flexible or 'your dad's here, could be a good way to smooth over a little)

The second bit(daddy still loves mummy) is out of order, but again comes back to the first point about new partners.

So YABU about the 1/2 slot. YANBU about the rest IMO

Jennytailia · 18/04/2011 08:37

IMO you would be U to file a police report, surely it is best to show him it doesn't bother you.

If he does it again just ignore the text.

WRT keeping DS up late, he might be doing it to spend as
Much time as poss with DS.

I really do not think it is up to you to decided you want to stop the overnight access.

How would you feel if exP 'decided' not to let DS go so early in the morning.

He probably feels that spending time with him is as important as a sports club.

jeckadeck · 18/04/2011 11:08

I would say filing a police report on the half hour slot thing would be potentially quite inflammatory -- what he is doing may irritate or even alarm you but I don't think it would recognised as harassment and filing it as such would probably make him more verbally abusive. Better, and I know this sounds hard, just to be as nonchalent as you can about it to show him he's not getting to you, in case this is his aim. Unfortunately, irritating though it is, the same goes for overnight access and on the daddy likes mummy thing. It sounds like your ex is trying to get to you by needling you through your child but stopping just short of what would be recognized as inappropriate or abusive behaviour. But unless you think he is actually doing something quite bad (heavy drinking in front of the child, for example) I think reacting to it will be counterproductive because it gives him ammunition to say you are neurotic/controlling/whatever. I think in the short term and in the absence of any worrying behaviour, your best course of action is to tough it out and just show him he's not getting to you. My guess is that he will calm it down a bit if he's not getting a rise. If, after a certain period of time, you see that this isn't the case, reassess it.

GypsyMoth · 18/04/2011 11:13

is there a court order??

sunnydelight · 18/04/2011 11:25

It's probably not worth filing a report in retrospect, but if your ex does the same thing again I would get on that phone pronto. The police have advised you to report it if you feel threatened by him and it is important to have these kinds of things on record just in case things go downhill in the future.

With regards the overnight thing, is this by court order or agreement? Can you just stop your son staying there overnight or will this cause further hassle, court action etc. Your ex sounds like he is quite capable of keeping your son up late on purpose so that it makes things difficult for you. He does not sound like the kind of man who can be adult enough to separate his resentment at you from his relationship with his child. I would be inclined to call his bluff on this one and stop/change the sports class. Tell your ex nicely "DS is tired on Saturdays because he stays up late with you so we have changed Saturday mornings so it doesn't matter if he is tired", it would be interesting to see what happens then.

MrSpoc · 18/04/2011 11:53

Sorry Op but I dont see the problem or should i say it is at least 50/50.

I also do not get the harrasment issue? why are the police involved? Or are you using this as a tool against him?

I used to love friday night film night with my day. We used to stay with my dad while he put a scary film on at about ten on a Friday night then stay up watching it. It was a good bonding session. Also its the weekend.

Why does he only have him for one night? Does he want him more?

Amateurish · 18/04/2011 12:20

YABU to call the police and / or cut the overnighter. Turning up early for a pickup - just ignore it. He's obviously just keen to see his son and maximise the time he has. Nothing wrong with being early. Calling the police would be frankly ridiculous and a waste of their time.

Late evenings on the overnight - not ideal but its really your ex's call. He is responsible for your son during that evening. It's not the end of the world.

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