Having a Daily Mail moment - can anyone help?

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OK I am generally in favour of immigration, am from Leicester and love the rich cultural mix- but have recently found myself getting more and more Daily Mail over radicals who live here on benefits, but who see fit to ''slag off'' the western way of life but seem very happy to reap the ''benefits'' both of free speech and social financial support. Even the dreaded ''if its so bad in this country - what the hell are they doing here?'' has gone through my head.

I put my hands up to being very anti religion.

AIBU and need to just see it as media hype over a very small number of highly publicised individuals or do others get the goat as well?

Carminaburana - just listen to it on the News - Going to have quiet G&T in the larder and contemplate agreeing with both Cameron and the DM in the same day ;(

I love it when you see in your active threads that a certain poster has responded to a thread and you just KNOW what stance they will be taking on it and it confirms to you that they are a bit dense. I love it when that happens.

Ha ha - common sense always prevails!

MW; - the leader of our country knows there's a problem and that mistakes were made, why don't you email him if you have a problem.

It's Twatkins, not Watkins.

I have no problem with DC's twatspeak, tbh. I'd be disappointed in any Tory leader who didn't try and appease his followers in the run-up to the local elections.

I'm just sad that some morons folk buy into it.

Do you agree with any part of his speech?

i agree with DC, good for him daring to bring it up, about time

Not sure if anyone else watched this on BBC, but I thought it was pretty good - she's very young but I enjoyed her other doc on Hip Hop moosic vids too. Thought it was quite topical for this post :)

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rqfsv/Women_Weddings_War_and_Me/

Surprised that no-one has mentioned the many Brits who live in other countries, refusing to learn the local language and proud of it, very happy to reap the benefits of lower rents and prices, but quite openly despising the local population and their way of life. Certainly not all Brits abroad are like that, but I've met enough who are.

Being pathetic I can live with, Bearhug, but advocating violent protest against the current govt. is a bit pants coming from a recent immigrant.

I don't think the countries the Brits abroad inhabit go out of their way to give them free housing or benefits. Also if they want a translator they will probably have to pay. OOH perhaps they should learn the language. fair point.

I wish someone had sorted this situation out a few years back. I doubt if Dave's speech will make any difference.

It is hard NOT to get a bit daily mail sometimes. I really don't give a shite about who lives beside me (unless they themselves are weird, not where they come from) but sometime you read things or hear things and you can't help but get pissed off by it, my personal problem is sharia courts. If you want to be governed by sharia law then feck off to a country with sharia law. It seems that men want the freedoms and benefits of living in the UK but are completely against their women folk having the same. (Did essay on this some stories shocked me completely) DH is completely against halal/kosher meat in restaurants, they can buy it and eat it at home but he feels that he should not have to eat something he does not agree with because "someone's imaginary friend in the sky told them so" he went mad over the quick bacon burger thing in france a while back, (only a very brave person would deny DH his bacon) There has to be respect for where you are living. I would never go to a muslim country and parade around in shorts and a vest swearing loudly and groping my husband in the street, eating a bacon bap (that actually will never happen i can't abide bacon) There is an element of choice in it and they CHOSE to come to the UK so they need to live in the UK and be prepared to accept that they live in the UK, they can still have their religion and culture but it should not be forced on other people. rant over.

Once you accept that people can immigrate to UK and be full citizens (more accurately 'subjects') then you accept they can think and say what they want, the same way the rest of us do. We surely all know people (ourselves?) who go on at great length about the country going to the dogs, call that music, what do they think they look like, etc. That's before we get on to who voted for these idiots, why are we wasting money on (fill in as required). It is part of our culture that we have a strong cultural tradition of moaning about, well, our culture.And a long tradition of immigration. So in that sense, they couldn't be more British. Any attempt to stop people coming here and moaning would undermine our whole heritage. It's what made Britain Great.

Jeez, why do you need help?

You just don't come to a country, live off it entirely and call it down. You just don't. Perfectly sensible point of view.

"I don't think the countries the Brits abroad inhabit go out of their way to give them free housing or benefits. Also if they want a translator they will probably have to pay. OOH perhaps they should learn the language. fair point."

snort, no, they don't

and yes they do have to learn the language -- no one makes allowances

this "council leaflets in fifty languages" is ridiculous

OP you also need to separate being anti religious with the immigration issue. The UK has always had a strong religious base to the point were people were once put to death and discriminated against based on their religion. Many UK born people follow a religion or philosophy (Buddhism), would you have that right removed?

The UK has (in theory) adopted a tolerant way of life, it is this i would like to see continue by those living here, wether born here or not. You cannot critise the majority based on the actions (or words) of the minority. But if there are wrongs happening in our society then anyone has the right to give an opinion, that is what has helped the UK to evolve.

In my experience, comments like 'stupid white idiot' (directed at me for selfishly getting a flat tyre outside an Asian grocers), or 'get off you British idiot' (directed at DS in a park play area for cruelly joining in with others on a piece of equipment) really piss me off. The best retort I've come up with, rather than the sad old 'go back, etc', is usually "I hope you die soon." That seems to be immensely effective without making me sound just as racist as the racists.

Did anyone see that Stacey Dooley thing? I showed it to a load of Qatari friends and they were really shocked. To be fair I have lived in Qatar for 8years and nobody has ever told me to leave if I don't like it. We are staying here this year and will be the only non Muslims at our big Christmas dinner. I have worked with British Pakistanis who were just as narrow minded as someone who had never left their remote welsh village. Quite proud I have lost two employees this year who are going back to the UK because we are too liberal init.

Gooseberry, I live in an Islamic country under Sharia. I can buy alcohol, bacon and marks and spencer do the best Christmas displays I have ever seen. I have never been asked to speak Arabic and although all my colleagues are Arabic they wite all mails in English which can cause some terrible misunderstandings amongst our English, Egypt North African and gulf dialects