to wish that Marilyn Monroe's figure was still the type of figure our girls aspire to

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watching Prince and Showgirl on tv now - she's all bouncy and rounded with a definite belly - the height of beauty, the sexiest woman

womanly curves and not stick-thin model catwalk and photoshopped rubbish - that's what we should see around

look a ther - she wobbles

I never got the hype of marilyn

her figure is very good though

i'm more of a grace kelly, audrey hepburn, judy garland Maureen O'hara absolute stunner etc

Oh, thank God for that Delia....I thought I was the only person on the planet to think WTF?
Whatever size she was, she led a degraded lifestyle, fucked herself up big time, sold herself for a bag of chips and made mediocre films.
I've never understood the hype either. To me, as an actress she's on a par with Jennifers Aniston and Lopez. If I see her name on the bill I know I'd rather read a book.

hugs bucharest
I find Lopez a stunner thats a figure t6o aspire to.

Marilyn I've always found Meh'

i see her as the katie price of her time, without the business nous. totally agree wrt her lifestyle. she was manipulated by every man she met and became an icon based on her body and "relationships", not the best role model imo. and then elton john wrote a song about her. then re-dedicated the song to someone else!

DP thinks I have body dysmorphia. I'm 5"4 and weigh about 8 stone 2 but consider this massive and go to the gym every day to change it. I don't think a GP can do anything for dysmorphia though, and I'm sensible enough to not go anorexic enough to be properly under weight again. I wish I could stop hating my body.

my counsellor used to tell me that even though I consider myself recovered (anorexia) and I have a stable weight I am still anorexic. I think like an anorexic and respond to stress by subconcsiously restricting food. its a mental illness and weight loss is simply a phyical symptom of it. I really think you should see your gp and ask for a referral, pref to a specialist EDT. BEAT are very good too.

I agre with Syc.

The papers recently had a 'Christina Hendricks is the new ideal body type' phase.

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.makemeheal.com/news/images/christina-hendricks-plastic-surgery.jpg&imgrefurl=news.makemeheal.com/celebrity-plastic-surgery/christina-hendricks-breast-implants/&usg=__YJfS5K9rltpj8GCq7V-3TgrEkoI=&h=538&w=287&sz=43&hl=en&start=0&sig2=XNYscNDmvp9q_CYCeyGIOA&zoom=1&tbnid=Y7Usn0dPboRn4M:&tbnh=123&tbnw=70&ei=ezOXTbj2GIfRsgau-dzNBQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchristina%2Bhendricks%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D590%26tbm%3Disch0%2C19&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=826&vpy=183&dur=220&hovh=294&hovw=156&tx=99&ty=133&oei=ezOXTbj2GIfRsgau-dzNBQ&page=1&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0&biw=1280&bih=590" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Christina Hendricks's body shape is just as unattainable as <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.realbollywood.com/news/up_images/kate-moss9347.jpg&imgrefurl=www.realbollywood.com/news/2010/10/kate-moss-bohemian-wedding-legal.html&usg=__wYOL6xifRcFRX9dj2Q9NRYUb2Rk=&h=392&w=400&sz=73&hl=en&start=0&sig2=uozdpjy-p3jQEYJ46g9iPw&zoom=1&tbnid=Djp93gmJduQNiM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=145&ei=hDOXTYa-A8224AbRttmSDA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkate%2Bmoss%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D590%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=245&vpy=111&dur=663&hovh=190&hovw=194&tx=155&ty=131&oei=hDOXTYa-A8224AbRttmSDA&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kate Moss.

Agree lissie, my anorexia has been in the box for years and years and I eat most things now (never junk, bread, pasta etc) but I exercise obsessively and will never, ever feel comfortable above 7 stone. Hate it. But also don't want therapy, had a lot after mum died at 7, had enough of that, just want to be normal.

See to me that Kate Moss shot has too much thigh. I wish I was joking. Bloody eating issues.

but therapy is an on-going thing. you can dip in and out of it when you need to, and wrt wanting to be normal, dont we all. but you'd take paracetamol for a headache wouldnt you? counselling is a painkiller for conditions of the mind. it is possible to control it. really it is. I have major wobbles every now and then, but i dont allow my evil twin her way now. we dont have scales in the house. I dont meal plan. I exercise infrequently because if I dont, then she wins.

I have a lot of vintage clothing. The size 14 s from the 1970s m&s are smaller than a size 10 today.

Just wrote a long post but it deleted lissie.

I get the evil twin thing. I have scales, exercise nearly every day and know the calorie value fo everything but i don't write down the calories of what i eat every day and i stay a bit sane. I dont want more therapy because i feel talked out, does that make sense? I just keep myself a healthy weight(ish) and deal with self hatred

MM looks like a 10 with curves. She might've been a 14-16 at the time though - sizes have grown significantly since then.

Kate Moss is so beautiful in that pic though

FWIW, I met someone (this is 20+ yrs ago) who reckoned they developed a raging eating disorder precisely because of the aspiration (in her day) for beautiful women to look like MM.

She said that her natural build was to be stick thin with a flat chest; she felt so inadequate about it that she used to overeat to get and stay plump, just to bulk up her boobs and curves. Overweight to the point that her health was affected, but at least she had cleavage that way.

I'm fed up hearing that women should aspire to a certain shape. Many women could only get Marilyn Monroe's shape with a boob job. Also fed up hearing that Christina Hendricks/Kelly Brooks/Dita Von FakeTees have the ideal figure. Would hate to look like them as I prefer doing sport to being lusted over by loads of creepy men all the time. One man being attracted to me is enough. I feel happiest within myself when I am a size 8 and very lithe, I like fashion and it just doesn't look right when I'm bigger. I would be very unhappy if I was "more curvy" and I couldn't give a toss whether certain men would like it more or not (never actually had any complaints from a man anyway!)

I wish we lived in a world where no one aspired to be anything but themselves.

Ok, so a person without 'womanly curves' or who is naturally 'stick thin' is less than?

I don't think being 'wobbly' is something I want to aspire to because I like being fit and doing a lot of sport.

I think people should aspire to be happy with their own body type, no matter what it is.

Yeah I mean there are 8 body types, pear, apple, hourlgass, colum,bell,lollipop etc to have one or 2 body types to aspire to is not as enlightened as it thinks it is .

I agree with those that say we should aspire to be as healthy as possible and confident in our own bodies, our own shapes.

In a way though, women today are somewhat aping Marilyn. (Over)Dying hair, too much make up, the sex kitten man-pleaser look is very now, albeit with different fashions (think Britanny/Christina/Rihanna/Wags even). More so now than when I was growing up I think.

I am 22yrs old and LOVE watching Marylin Monroe and Jane Russell! - I love the whole 50's look and style and society!
I wish I lived in the 50's!
it looks like an era of dreaming
and a time when people were treated properly by society and other people!
I think now we have lost respect for people and things, no-one seems to care anymore.

"a time when people were treated properly by society and other people!"

Except women of course, who were only expected to cook,clean and have sex.

'it looks like an era of dreaming
and a time when people were treated properly by society and other people! '

Yes, an era in which women had next to no rights over their own reproduction, marital rape was legal, women could be sacked for being pregnant or married, discrimination was practiced legally (no blacks, no dogs, no Irish), women couldn't legally enter some professions, many homes still didn't have an indoor toilet or running hot water.

A woman's options in life were very limited.

It wasn't like 'Mad Men'.

but hey, at least the clothes were nice

'but hey, at least the clothes were nice'

And a lot of them custom-made, too, by the wearer, who was forced to learn to sew whether she wanted to or not as the school curriculum was different for females.

i was joking expat and agreeing with you! i dont get why people hanker after such a corrupt, inequal era.