To ask whether or not people here believe in homeopathy?

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I don't at all.

However, I'm not out for a bunfight!

Just curious, as was surprised by the response of a certain group to this question today.

The pharmaceutical industry gets a kicking in Bad Science too you might like it :) gooseberry

No it's not a bible, it's just an interesting, easy to read book which I really enjoyed and learned a lot from. It even has references to read to back up the information presented.

Big chapter about the MMR in it too, sounds like you'd enjoy that.

Science is really badly reported all the time and the information badly presented.

People who work in science not all generic 'scientists' or 'researchers' or 'experts' either, it's all so vague and misleading in the media.

"It's just like pointing and laughing at the fat kid, while butter-wouldn't-melt child manipulates with a smile."

It's not you know. Homeopaths are an interest group like any other and would like their nonsense to be officially achnowledged so that they can get the state to pay for it - in this they are no different to many other groups. They are also one of many anti-reason groups, generally promoting nonsense so they need to be opposed for that reason as well. If we accept Homeopathy despite their being no evidence it is effective then there is no reason not to accept faith healing and crystals.

What do you mean by White Coat syndrome? This normally refers to patients getting high blood pressure due to anxiety when dealing with doctors.

There are certainly issues with pharmecuitical companies not acting in the best interests of patients. There are certainly issues with doctors not acting in the best interest of patients. This is why we have systems of checks and balances around them, to prevent and detect them. Now, they may not be perfect and they could probably be stronger, but that has precisely the square root of fuck all to do with Homeopathy.

Prunnhilda yes, it is. Thanks for your input.

My sister is a homeopath and has had amazing results with some very complex cases. `She studied for years though and the first year of the course she did was v similar to traditional medicine in terms of anatomy and biology etc. I have some pretty complex health problems and so I don't use it myself but have seen completely unexplainable things with her treatment which I would have been sceptical about in the past. Ds has always been terrified of flying and after many awful trips (think shaking hysterics) She gave me something to give him before we boarded and as we walked through the tunnel to the plane dp and I were looking at each other as if "when is he going to start?) and he was chatting away quite happily. He didn't even wince as we took off it was incredible! He was about 7/8 at the time and is now 17. She has also had great results with fertility.

noddy that would be the placebo effect. again.

Gooseberry, could you please answer my earlier question.

Jaggy do read that thread you'd find it so interesting. Really might open your eyes about a few things that you're not quite up on.

However, there isn't much point in carrying on here as there really is a presumption of stupidity accompanied by a significant failure to follow a line of reasoning on the part of you and others.

Gooseberry is it poorly understood or not then - make up your mind???

In fact, why don't you come back when you've read it? Please, please.

Oh, i've read that thread thanks. How would you know what I am up on

What do you believe about the MMR then, go on, enlighten us stupids.

Jaggy: placebo is poorly understood, homeopathy works by placebo.

Why is this so terribly, terribly hard to understand?

You've read the whole thing? About the Hornig study -- Beachcomber's posts: the GMC hearing?

What do you think? What are your reasons for dismissal there?

Add message | Report | Message poster Prunnhilda Sat 02-Apr-11 09:13:45
The placebo effect isn't exactly poorly understood, there's quite a body of research into it afaik.

Add message | Report | Message poster Gooseberrybushes Sat 02-Apr-11 09:17:45
Prunnhilda yes, it is. Thanks for your input.

Ah, I got confused i thought you were actually thanking for input.

my bad.

MistyB: if you're reading -- I'm sorry I can't accept anything more than placebo, I just can't.

Yes, it is poorly understood. But thanks anyway.

I may not have read the whole thread on inspection, there are a few more pages since I did...Not convinced about the MMR/vaccination hysteria at all though if I am honest.

Jaggy you are on thin ice trying to be the definitive answer on anything relating to medicine/homeopathy etc. It is fair enough to say you think it but you are stating it as a fact when you are none the wiser than any of us and in fact you refusal to even consider any other view shows a closed mind which is something my sister could help you with

I am so not trying to be anything. I am just procrastinating at work.

I was just being honest about what I think.

I have no medical qualifications whatsoever!

It is a fact that it is only a placebo effect and i am not the only one to state that - even ask gooseberry!

You can't have read any of the thread at all if you think it's hysteria there isn't any on the thread. It's just chock full of facts. Your "not convinced.. if I am honest" is basically just a statement of prejuduce based on ignorance.

Yes, complete failure to follow a train of thought. Even amongst scientists

I don't believe in it.

I did have homeopathic vaccinations when I was a baby. I wonder if I ought to go ask for proper ones now, come to think of it. I have had whooping cough and mumps but I wouldn't fancy catching measles!

The thread was quite reasonable at the start but got a bit less so IIRC. Will try to take time to read it all later and get back to you...

Should really do some work today

Try the last five pages. Beachcomber has done a lot of research.

Research from proper verifiable sources? I don't want to be disappointed.

You won't be, I can assure you. It's good solid stuff.