to be astounded at the bbc reporting bias?

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www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8402973/A-family-slaughtered-in-Israel-doesnt-the-BBC-care.html

It's a hideous story.

Awful. Unforgivable.

As is the dismembering of Palestinian children by Israili shells.

I'm sure the Israel apologists will agree.

slhilly this is what Palestinians are living with. The Israeli's because of their advanced military and capabilities are able to simply fly over Palestinian area's of residence and do this. This is not even the worst of it and you can see that the Palestinian children are so used to it that they were in a frenzy because they knew what was happening, which shows how much of a part of their existence it is. And, more Palestinian children are killed than Israeli children every year by an astonishing number because of such tactics.

And another:

And another:

Innocent children shot dead by Israeli soldiers.

I know about all of that. But it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that cutting off a baby's head is one of the most horrific crimes imaginable. Think about the deliberate effort required.

Ok, so are you saying that one is worse than the other?

There is deliberate effort in pointing a gun and shooting dead someone's child or dropping a bomb on someone's child isnt there?

You realise that getting a helicopter and equipping it with explosives then flying low over a residential area with children and vulnerable people to release those explosives doesn't just happen? That it is in fact a planned assault and requires alot of effort? That it does require alot of deliberate effort? And in fact deliberate effort to inflict an astounding amount of damage.

Yes these situations are tragic, you cannot say one is worse than the other here or somehow more sinister. All these murderers know that they are killing children. The Israeli's just have the technology and military expertise to not do it so crudely and still manage to kill more children in one go.

It is horrific whichever way you look at it. These are people's children, innocent to what they have been born into, and they are being slaughtered.

I don't know if the BBC are biased or not, but trying to prove it on the basis of one news story is pointless. You need to study and evaluate news stories over a long period and point to a statistical imbalance. All this thread proves is the bias of posters who want their side painted in a better light.

The only winner here is the Telegraph reporter who came up with such a good headline.

it is horrific but then so is the number of Palestinian children killed by more legal means. How do you compare these things in levels of awfulness. Dose that babies life mean more than all those Palestinian childrens? I'm not downplaying this story, it is horrific . I once opened a link by accident to a photo of a man (claimed it was Palestine) in a bombed street holding up literally the body of a very young child - the head and limbs had been blown off. That was horrific and very distressing and I reported it as it shouldn't have been on the site , especially without warning. It's unpleasant but maybe the media really should show the reality of these nice 'clean' bombs and what they really do. Our media is so sanitised in the West compared to other places and it's easy to think these 'conflicts' aren't really that bad. For every British soldier killed (sad as it is) in Afghanistan etc - we never see the true cost to the civilian population.

here here Onagah. Tbh I think everyone had forgotten the OP was about BBC bias and had carried on with the point scoring, using these poor children to continue the stupidity going on over there, over here.

i do believe there is bias in general against Israel in the UK and how it is reported in the media or even BBC. You only have to read the majority of threads on the subject on Mn to see that usually the majority of posters seem to be more pro Palestinian- or that's how I see it.

Par for the course really with BBC/left-wing media.

Palestine fires rockets in to Israel on an almost daily basis. Most won't believe that.

Yep, I'd agree with that fastedwina

AlpinePony I am well aware of that as is anyone who is well versed in this issue or at least understands it to a competent degree. The imbalance that I pointed out earlier is very great though, Israel has the most advanced military in the Middle East, these rockets made by Palestinians are home made and beyond miniscule in comparison. A lot of the time they don't even work properly and don't fire anything or explode where they stand instead of firing any projectile's.

It is not hard to see why there are more pro Palestinian people in the world when you look at this conflicts history and what the Israeli government is doing now. The fact that there are so many Jews against Israel with their own small organisations is very telling.

Frankly I think what is happening to innocent people on both sides is apalling and heartbreaking, but there is a clear imbalance in this conflict and Palestine is under extreme duress.

"You only have to read the majority of threads on the subject on Mn to see that usually the majority of posters seem to be more pro Palestinian"

That might not be due to media, or any other kind of bias. It might just be how the majority of people feel. I think it has something to do with the might of a state army against individual people.

6 palestinians including children were killed horrifically by Israelis on Wednesday. It wasn't reported. There is no way it all could be.

splashy the tsunami doesn't make a fatal car crash any less horrific but it is such a common occurrence that they can't all make the news. The point is this conflict has been going on a very long time and I'm sure will continue to do so for much longer still. Not every thing can be reported.

i just wonder why the Palestinians keep firing these rockets giving the Israelis the excuse to fire back and do much more damage. Is it a propaganda exercise to provoke the Israelis and gain world sympathy but showing their own people are expendable?

LDN - if you were in a conflict, would you throw away your superior weapons to make it a level playing field at cost to yourself and your children. The Palestinians rockets obviously don't do anything lie the damage the Israelis do but don't write it off as nothing. Do you think it doesn't affect the Israelis when these rockets are fired over - when you hear the alarm go off and your little children are playing outside out of sight or your children are at school and have another day disrupted and you hope that they are safe? Of course this doesn't compare to what the Palestinians are suffering in retaliation but don't be so dismissive how it affects the peace and mindset of the people there.

I take it you also supported the IRA and their bomb attacks as like the Palestinians they were outnumbered and out gunned. Also the Islamic attacks in London again outnumbered and outgunned.

"LDN - if you were in a conflict, would you throw away your superior weapons to make it a level playing field at cost to yourself and your children. The Palestinians rockets obviously don't do anything lie the damage the Israelis do but don't write it off as nothing. Do you think it doesn't affect the Israelis when these rockets are fired over - when you hear the alarm go off and your little children are playing outside out of sight or your children are at school and have another day disrupted and you hope that they are safe? Of course this doesn't compare to what the Palestinians are suffering in retaliation but don't be so dismissive how it affects the peace and mindset of the people there."

fastedwina where on earth did you get this from in my posts? I clearly highlighted that this conflict is apalling on both sides, I was only highlighting to Alpinepony that it is obviously not a balanced conflict and that would result in people supporting the opressed nation involved. How did you get that I somehow think the rockets fired by Palestinians are not harmful? They may be less harmful and effective overall, but of course it is still harmful in its own way. I stated in almost all my posts that children were being killed on both sides and it was apalling to both sides. But if stating the fact that the Israeli military does more harm and kills more Palestinian's with their tactics means I somehow don't think Israeli children's lives are less impacted, then I suppose I see where you got that idea

"I take it you also supported the IRA and their bomb attacks as like the Palestinians they were outnumbered and out gunned. Also the Islamic attacks in London again outnumbered and outgunned."

As for this comment, I won't even respond to such ludicrous statements.

But do you actually know anything about the history of the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict? Besides what you see in the media I mean?

"I somehow don't think Israeli children's lives are less impacted"

Should read

"I somehow think Israeli children's lives are less impacted"

I'm sorry LDN if I misunderstood what you meant.

I did become interested and looked into this conflict a good few years ago, about 20 to be more exact. I lived and worked alongside both Palestinians and Israelis for a short while, enough to get a feel for both sides paranoia and mindsets which is what makes this whole thing so crazy and seem so impossible.

I eventually got fed up with that feeling of knocking your head against a brick wall and stepped away from it - luckily I could do that unlike the people stuck in the middle of it. it just all grew too exasperating in the end.

fasted Hamas offered The israelis a 10 year sees fire in April 1996. They said no.

I doubt it was that simple Bristol.

LDNmummy, you seem to be being purposely obtuse in your definition of "deliberate". No Israeli soldier is tasked with killing children. By contrast, someone deliberately did set out to cut the head off a baby.

One of those two situations does in fact seem considerably more sinister than the other.

your astonishment is unreasonable yes because the BBC has an anti-Israel bias

the story is horrific - absolutely devastating