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...in wanting to vent about horrible neighbour (sorry... long...)

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woollyideas · 30/03/2011 20:58

For the past five years or so my neighbour has never failed to make a sarcastic remark to my DD every time she sees her. DD is 14 now and a couple of hours ago was outside saying goodbye to two friends. They were standing on the pavement near a shrub just chatting when she comes out of her house and says 'oh yes, fascinating shrub isn't it?' In winter when DD and friend were outside building a snowman she came outside just to say 'Haven't you got anything better to do with your time?' She has deliberately walked into DD in the street before now, shouldering her out of the way, and generally plagues her with what I guess you'd call low-level bullying.

When DD was nine neighbour said to me 'We could probably get on alright if it wasn't for her. I asked what DD had done to upset her and she said she 'looked at her funny'. I was very Hmm Shock and from then on just thought ignoring her was the best policy.

I have tried to give this woman a VERY wide berth since about two years ago when I had a visit from the police one evening. They said she'd accused me of criminal damage. She'd told them I'd torn down her fence, which had actually blown down in the wind several months before. I had a broken arm at the time and couldn't have pulled up a bloody dandelion at the time. The police weren't interested in anything I said, but told me to report to the custody centre a few weeks later to be arrested. I was horrified, but the police basically said it was standard procedure (arrest by appointment 3 weeks after their visit...). I wasn't charged and in a five minute interview the police decided there was no case to answer. I was pretty peed off because not only was there no evidence I'd done anything, there was no evidence of any crime. I had gone through all that anxiety and indignity just because of neighbour's malice.

About three months later she called the police again. She told the police DD and a friend had been throwing stones over her six feet high fence at her, which was a total lie (I was there at the time with another neighbour). I told the police I was surprised to see them at my door after her previous false allegation and they went away, saying they weren't planning to take any action against us. FFS! Then I got a letter suggesting mediation. I did meet the mediators but explained that I'd find it difficult to talk to her face to face as she'd told a shocking lie about me that had resulted in my arrest, so I'd struggle to come to any agreement with someone who was apparently comfortable about telling lies that had such huge repercussions. Also, I felt that agreeing to meet to discuss something that had never happened would give weight to her accusations.

Since then she has kept up this campaign of sarcasm against DD and her friends, always when I'm not around, of course. What bothers me is that she goes out of her way to do so, coming out of her house specially to 'have a go'.

The most baffling thing is she has a DD who is only a couple of years younger than my own. She drags her out of the house with her to witness her display of aggression to my DD. I don't get why - as she has a child herself - she can't see how uncomfortable her behaviour makes my DD.

Has anyone got any suggestions for handling this? She is a really nasty piece of work and obviously has no qualms about either her behaviour, or even about lying to the police.

I did actually go outside this evening and tell her it wasn't mandatory to make a sarcastic comment every time she saw my DD and that it was bullying and she just said 'Oh yeah, well you'd know all about that' and smirked at me. Hmm

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squeakytoy · 30/03/2011 21:00

She sounds like she has some sort of mental health problem really. :(

Does she have a husband you can approach to try and sort it out?

belledechocchipcookie · 30/03/2011 21:03

You need to keep a diary of all of this, bullying is a criminal offence so I think you need to seek legal advice about this. Your poor daughter shouldn't have to live like this, it must be horrible for you all.

Cher87 · 30/03/2011 21:04

Dont have any advice I'm affraid but she sounds completely insaine! I dont even know wha to say to that! your poor DD Sad x

woollyideas · 30/03/2011 21:13

Squeaky Her partner moved out about a year ago.

Cookie - is bullying a criminal offence? I have been keeping a diary for years. Just not sure what to do with all the info I've garnered...

I can't afford to take legal advice unfortunately (or build my big dream fence!)

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lololizzy · 30/03/2011 21:16

i do really feel for you as experiencing this myself (posted it recently) with a bullying evil neighbour who makes up wild accusations
It has been suggested i take an injunction against her
you may need to do same

belledechocchipcookie · 30/03/2011 21:17

The CAB will be able to help for free, as will a law centre. Do you know if her property is rented?

FabbyChic · 30/03/2011 21:21

That's horrible, really sorry you have such a bad neighbour, not sure what to advise other than ignore her where possible, and tell your daughter to do the same and keep as far away from her property as possible.

MaisyMooCow · 30/03/2011 21:24

She sounds like she has mental health issues, a friend of mine had a very similar experience with her neighbour which went on for years. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of support out there for you.

One suggestion is to put a cctv camera on your property filming the front of your house/pavement etc. They can be very discreet so no one will know it is there. Then, when she calls the police again accusing you or your DD of something, you will have to video footage to prove your innocence!

AKMD · 30/03/2011 21:25

Brilliant that you're keeping a diary. Can you take it to a local community police surgery and the CAB? You can get free advice from there.

ddubsgirl · 30/03/2011 21:31

could you put cameras up?are you council?or ask landlord?

saffy85 · 30/03/2011 21:43

Shock What sad, nasty cow. I'd definately get advice about reporting this horrible woman. No way should your DD have to put up with this crap. And if this woman does have mental health issues it might get her the help she needs, if she isn't right now.

belledechocchipcookie · 30/03/2011 22:10

We have a community support policeman who we can chat to. It may be worth your while asking at the police station.

She needs an asbo (or whatever it is they have replaced them with), the police should realise that she's bonkers though and they need to be more helpful.

hairfullofsnakes · 30/03/2011 22:30

Get some CAB advice? Try posting in legal or start thread saying you need some legal advice? Your poor Dd as poor you - I really hope you can get some good advice and get some kind of restraining order or something to stop her. Also note how this bullying is affecting your Dd

Good luck

Catkinsthecatinthehat · 30/03/2011 22:37

As a side note were you actually arrested? Full DNA tests, held in the cells, and the inevitable consequences (banned from visa-free entry to other countries, full police record in the event of an enhanced CRB etc). Or were you invited to be interview under caution. If it's the former, then you've been royally stitched up by the police.

woollyideas · 30/03/2011 22:42

Thanks for your support, everyone.

I will see if I can find out whether we have something like a community police surgery in our area.

I try my best to ignore this woman but she is very provocative (and I suspect a bit mentally ill, too, because no-one completely sane would do this.) Unfortunately, we live in adjoining terraced houses so our front paths are literally next to each other. Since the false allegation episode I have totally blanked her until my comment tonight, but she still occasionally tries to engage me in conversation.

My DD tries to ignore her, too, but doesn't really know how to respond when neighbour confronts her. It's just beyond me why someone would behave like this. It is hard to rationalise this type of behaviour. When she accused me of criminal damage I remember just thinking: either she has knowingly made up a whopping great lie, in which case she's bonkers and malicious, OR she believes her fantasy really happened, in which case she's bonkers and sad.

I do slightly worry about her daughter having to live with someone like that.

Lolizzy - I'd like to see your thread. It's always heartening to know other people have similar experiences - although I feel sorry for anyone else going through similar things. How do you search for old threads?

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CheerfulYank · 30/03/2011 22:51

What does her DD say/do during these "incidents"?

And she sounds crazy! Definitely document everything and I would put up camera if you could. A little OTT maybe, but she's made this into an OTT situation.

woollyideas · 30/03/2011 23:00

Catkins No. I wasn't held in cells etc. It's a long story, but when I was told I was going to be arrested my first reaction was 'there's a mistake' because I knew nothing had happened and didn't believe the police could arrest me on the word of a single, slightly demented woman. But things just got increasingly more Kafkaesque.

I did a lot of research in the 3 weeks between initial police visit and my arrest appointment and learnt all about the increased police powers of arrest under SOCPA and that they were supposed to apply a necessity test prior to arrest. To be honest the whole thing was a complete eye opener for me. I wrote to my MP, the county police commissioner and my Euro MP because it appears the necessity test isn't being applied in most cases. In my case the commissioner argued that arrest was necessary to enable 'the prompt and efficient investigation...' 3 weeks! 'Prompt and efficient'? He said if I was placed under arrest and the case had to subsequently go to court it would be more 'efficient' for them.

I have to admit I'm a bit of a dog with a bone when I think an injustice has been done and finally, the day before my appointment, got the agreement of the commissioner to be questioned 'voluntarily under caution' (can't remember exact wording.) I had quite a heated - but polite! - discussion with him and told him I objected to being arrested purely to satisfy their administrative procedures. Still I had to go to the custody centre, stand behind the yellow line, sign the computer screen, be escorted to an interview rooms etc. A duty solicitor was provided, etc. It's an alien world to me and I have to admit I felt pretty, bloody nervous.

After the police let me go, my first question to the solicitor was 'What's to stop her doing this to me again tomorrow? and he said... 'Nothing.' He sugested I keep a diary and if she made several false allegations I could try to bring a case of malicious falsehood against her. FFS - who need stuff like this in their life? Isn't normal life hard enough anyway?

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woollyideas · 30/03/2011 23:01

Yank Her DD just stands there looking a bit intimidated and baffled. It's weird.

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