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to think that our (England) national anthem is shite?

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JazzAnnNonMouse · 27/03/2011 17:15

Just seen a thread about national anthems and it just reminded me how rubbish the English national anthem is... yes it's traditional but:
it has a boring, dreary tune that doesn't evoke any kind of feeling (for me), it's not actually about England just goes on and on about the monarchy and as an anti royalist I couldn't care less about "saving" the Queen/King.

Rubbish.

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Strictly · 27/03/2011 21:40

Its crap as it's all about us being subjects not citizens.

In this day and age I'll not be teaching my children to pray for an old woman to continue to 'reign over' them simply due to the accident of birth. I'll be teaching power and respect are earnt, not inherited.

AintMissBeehiving · 27/03/2011 21:41

I love a bit of La Marseillaise myself.

JazzAnnNonMouse · 27/03/2011 22:31

I liked the link numbertaker Grin

I don't really know why every country has an anthem either BUT as they do I think it would be better to be actually about the country or the people in it not just one woman on a throne...

I actually don't think we should have nations at all but that's just my fathers anarchist influence invading my brain! Hmm

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JessicaDrew · 28/03/2011 09:55

do the England rugby still sing a different song?
i like God save the queen, but maybe Land of hope and Glory would be ok

TeeBee · 28/03/2011 09:59

Our national anthem is actually a French cast off. They made it up, didn't want it, so we had it.

ivykaty44 · 28/03/2011 10:01

de de de de dede de de de de dede

yes its pretty basic two year old tune

sue52 · 28/03/2011 10:07

Another vote for the Archers theme tune.

Sweetpea215 · 28/03/2011 10:09

I like the Italian one...don't understand the words but like the jolly tune.

EldritchCleavage · 28/03/2011 12:25

Don't the Swiss have the same one as Britain but no words? To be honest the tune is fine but the words are poor. Portentious and imperialist, so suits us really.

La Marseillaise is fantastic, if bombastic and bloody-thirsty, the Italian one sounds like the overture to a comic opera, the American one beautiful but cloyingly sentimental: most anthems fit the countries they belong to.

The German one has a nice tune and lovely words, until you get to the (now outlawed) third verse, ruined by its connotations.

Agree the English should have 'I Vow to Thee My Country'.

OTheHugeManatee · 28/03/2011 12:27

I shudder to think of what we'd get as a replacement for the current National Anthem. It'd be dreamed up at vast expense by a quango committee, stuffed full of vapid platitudes and have all the aesthetic appeal of Wenlock and Mandeville.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 28/03/2011 12:31

We should make it 'Angel of Death' by Slayer.

Because it would be funny at the Olympics.

If we win anything.

BelfastBloke · 28/03/2011 12:32

I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead.
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns,
I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons.

And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

The lyrics as usually sung omit the middle verse.

BelfastBloke · 28/03/2011 12:44

England should have its own national anthem, separate to the UK's God Save the Queen, just like Scotland and Wales do, and like Northern Ireland should.

Northern Ireland has three 'national anthems' and which one is used depends on the event. The official National Anthem is ?God Save the Queen?, usually played at state events because Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

The second one, ?Londonderry Air?, which is usually set to lyrics of ?Danny Boy?, is used as its anthem by the Northern Ireland team at the Commonwealth Games.

For Rugby events, especially when Northern Ireland players compete on the same team as players from the Republic of Ireland, a specially commissioned song has been adopted, ?Ireland?s Call?. The Republic of Ireland?s national anthem, "Amhrán na bhFiann", or in English, "The Soldiers Song", is also used at Dublin home matches as a courtesy to the host country.

The melody of "A Londonderry Air" is considered traditional. It was first published by Jane Ross of County Londonderry (known as County Derry by the Republic), in what is now Northern Ireland, which may explain the name. Various lyrics have been given to it, most famously the song "Danny Boy."

The tune was first called "Londonderry Air" in 1894 when Katherine Tynan Hinkson set the words of her "Irish Love Song" poem to the tune.

Original English lyrics to Londonderry Air

(set to the tune of Danny Boy)
Would God I were the tender apple blossom
That floats and falls from off the twisted bough
To lie and faint within your silken bosom
Within your silken bosom as that does now.
Or would I were a little burnish'd apple
For you to pluck me, gliding by so cold
While sun and shade your robe of lawn will dapple
Your robe of lawn, and your hair's spun gold.

Yea, would to God I were among the roses
That lean to kiss you as you float between
While on the lowest branch a bud uncloses
A bud uncloses, to touch you, queen.
Nay, since you will not love, would I were growing
A happy daisy, in the garden path
That so your silver foot might press me going
Might press me going even unto death.

Danny Boy lyrics to Londonderry Air

Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the flowers are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide.
But come ye back when summer's in the meadow
Or when the valley's hushed and white with snow
'Tis I'll be here in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, I love you so.

And if you come, when all the flowers are dying
And I am dead, as dead I well may be
You'll come and find the place where I am lying
And kneel and say an "Ave" there for me.

And I shall hear, tho' soft you tread above me
And all my dreams will warm and sweeter be
If you'll not fail to tell me that you love me
I'll simply sleep in peace until you come to me.

mummytime · 28/03/2011 12:52

It is okay. France and Germany's are far better. But most others are worse. The US one is so hard for the average person to sing, and then there are the South American ones with 20 + verses (or so it always seems at the World Cup).

Admittedly the individual Nation states of the UK all have better ones, including England (to sing), although I'm not sure about the words of either choice. When they swapped.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 28/03/2011 12:55

Or maybe something by Army of Lovers.

beeperhistory · 28/03/2011 13:37

I don't much like it, it's very funereal - but have some sympathy for the Queen hearing it played again .... and again .... and again.

There are worse ones out there though, the kind you hear played at state occasions that just go on and on, tuneless verse after tuneless verse.

MadamDeathstare · 28/03/2011 14:24

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BelfastBloke · 28/03/2011 15:37

IF there are, it'll be done ironically.

Danny boyle and Stephen daldry doing the ceremony gives reason to hope it might be OK.

AbsDuCroissant · 28/03/2011 15:43

Yeah, it's rubbish. And barely anyone knows the words, possibly not even Prince Edward (he opened a theatre at my school and didn't seem to sing along).

Now, my country's national anthems - they're wicked. Nkosi Sikelele and Die Stem. I start sobbing everytime I hear Nkosi

MindySimmons · 28/03/2011 16:02

mummytime, sorry got to disagree, the South African anthem makes me cry, it's so beautiful and at least the USA have one that's uplifting. The Indian anthem is lovely too

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LittleOneMum · 28/03/2011 16:05

meditrina I wouldn't go to Scotland say that God Save The Queen is the 'British' anthem. We sing 'Flower of Scotland' at football and rugby internationals and I'd like to see the powers that be persuade us to do otherwise.

I love Flower of Scotland. I took my DS (3) to his first football game yesterday (Scotland v Brazil friendly in London) and my DH and I both cried with pride when he sang along (with about 40,000 others). My heart still sighs at the thought of it. I don't think I'd feel the same about God Save the Queen.

mummytime · 28/03/2011 16:28

I don't know the South African one, the USA one can make you cry, but it is very very hard to sing. (A great solo though).

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