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To be seriously concerned about my toddler's new behaviour since my twins were born

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doradaisy · 26/03/2011 18:46

I have 4 month old twin DS's and a 3 year old DD.

I just came back from visiting a friends/ex work colleagues house today. She has 3 boys, aged 10, 7 and 4 and she was also minding her little 2 year old nephew. My DD, who's 3 and half (will be 4 in Oct) was in creche with the 4 year old so they always got on quite well. But today, my DD was really bossy and was fighting, pulling toys off the boys and started hitting the 2 and 4 year old, who both ended up crying. When I and friend went to intervene, she shouting and hit out at me. I was so angry and also embarrassed, and went straight home, and gave suitable punishment when we got home (time out in room, no bedtime story tonight, took away her favourite doll).

She has always been quite a pleasant child, chatty and easy to mind, esp when she was in other people's houses (when I was in hospital for the week when twins were born, my sister, who as 3 children, took her and said she was a 'model' child, went to bed no prob and mucked in and played with her cousins, etc) But since the twins were born, her behaviour has gone down hill totally.

even when i try to discipline her, she can get very feisty with me and doesn't seem to care. she can be quite manipulative at times. My mother thinks it's quite clever that she can do this for her age and always says it's good 'she can stand up for herself' but i would much prefer if she could just get on with friends and cousins. am worried that she will not get on in social groups.

it worries me that she can turn the punishment around and say things like 'well, x child made me angry' or 'you were a bit cranky today mammy, that's the problem'. she always has an excuse and never really feels like she's in the wrong. it's this aspect of her personality that worries me. in fairness, today she was tired as didn't sleep that well last night but is often like this anyway.

when in friends or cousins houses, she can be difficult, fighting and not sharing, or shy and quiet and not talking to anyone. It's like she's massively frustrated. i'm not saying it's without reason, as sometimes the other child/children could not share with her. it's like she feels a real sense of injustice and will fight with anyone if she's in the wrong. She's in a montessori, and they said she is doing well there, and loves it, may as things are more structured, etc and it's her 'thing' outside the twins.

i know it's not rocket science in that she is looking for more attention, but generally (apart from early weeks when twins first came home) she is good for me at home. I know I've prob let standards around rules and behaviour drop a bit as tired, etc with twins. I also know that I've been less patient and have lost it a bit when she is naughty. Basically, the house is a bit more stressful and fraught since the twins came. My husband got a promotion at work and is around less which means I'm doing fair share of childcare. When he is around, we've tried to remain positive but things can be a bit fraught.

now that twins in more routine, am going to be better and looking into working on her behaviour. have shed a good few tears over this as feel i've failed, or failed her, by not giving her better guidance. don't get me wrong, am aware of her needs for attention, so maybe that's the prob, have given into her more, hence rules slipping a bit around house, etc.

love to hear any advice, strategies.

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valiumredhead · 26/03/2011 18:51

She has just had a massive upheaval. Not one but two more little people needing HER mum's attention. Imagine your dh bringing home 2 more wives and saying to you "These women are going to come and live with us now, I want you to love them, share everything with them and be nice......... don't worry though I will still have plenty of time for you and love you too" Grin

She's adjusting and it's very early days, I am sure she'll settle down, she's so little herself still. It sounds like you are doing well :)

washnomore · 26/03/2011 18:53

I think

  1. She's 3. They do this sort of thing. What you describe is within the realms of normal

  2. You're exhausted. It's very difficult to keep perspective on things when you're exhausted. Try not to pressurise yourself into having a perfect child - that's not fair on either of you. Lower your expectations for a bit, there's plenty time to turn it round.

  3. Your babies are still really new. Her life has been turned upside down. Give her more leeway.

I speak as a mum of a 3 year old and a 6 month old, who posted something very, very similar about 3 months ago. It will get better but it takes time. Make a big effort to show her love (not just telling her but showing her). A great tip I got was to have a sticker chart for her - I had to give 7 stickers a day so that meant finding 7 positives each day. I think that alone helped turn things around.

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hairylights · 26/03/2011 18:57

As others have said she probably feels pushed out becaus two new little people have come along and they need her Mums attention.

Are you and your husband able to make any one to one time for her? Have you both, through your behaviour, made sure she knows you still live her and she's still special and important?

rosie1979 · 26/03/2011 19:28

I think she is really clever to be able to say things like "you were cranky - thats the problem" - I have a 3yo and he would not be able to be this articulate.

What you describe sounds typical 3yo fiesty behaviour - and with twin siblings only 4 months I think its really natural, echoing the other posters thoughts that she needs time to adjust ect.

Also - 3 punishments - ie: time out + no story + favourite doll seems excessive. One would be enough?

Could you give her some one to one time when your dh is home at w/end like taking her swimming or to the park, just the two of you?

sleepingsowell · 26/03/2011 19:31

I agree with wash. What you describe is VERY normal for 3. The twins birth has co incided with a time when most kids get more 'feisty' as you put it - more determined, less easy to distract. So it's probably partly the twins and partly just nature.
Also, really don't worry about her 'backchat' and excuses etc; at this age kids do really start to get a will of their own and they ARE much cleverer than most people imagine they can be, with their reasoning and their words. She says this stuff from a natural human instinct to fight back (which as a species we would not have survived without, so you're not going to edit this out of her, it's hard wired imo!) and just because she says it does not mean you have to engage in a conversation with her about it or be led down a path of her control; she can say what she likes but it won't change the fact that you're mummy and you're the one saying what is and isn't acceptable. Ignore what you don't want to hear/engage with.
Also don't expect too much of her, that was ALOT of kids at the playdate today.
Often at this age playdates at the park are alot simpler ;-)
I guess I'm saying it's all normal, LOWER your standards and ensure that what you are expecting of her is really appropriate for a 3 year old. And go easy on you, too, you are coping amazingly well, what a shame your husband is around less just when you need him more at home!
Any chance of a few hours a week of an au pair from the local college or something? Can be amazingly cheap. A friend has done this (same age kids as you, 3 yr old and baby twins) and it's saved her sanity I think.

sleepingsowell · 26/03/2011 19:33

oh and I so agree with Rosie - just give her time out, don't load her with punishments. Too many punishments will lead her to feel angry and aggrieved and can lead imo to a battle of wills where she is ever ready to bring the fight to you. Not worth it, imo.

doradaisy · 26/03/2011 21:59

thanks for advice everyone.

wash no more - i like the 'show her you love her, not just say it
i think children want us to be the consistent, but with sleep deprivation it's hard to be patient, fun mammy. i've definitely been more impatient with her and rush through bedtime story, etc with her.

we're seriously looking into some paid help, if we can afford it!

mu husband is working longer hours but does his best to help with twins and DD.

i sometimes worry if i'm enough managing 3 children and feel guilty not giving each of them enough time but maybe that's the mother of 3 predicament!!

we can only do our best

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porcamiseria · 26/03/2011 22:08

its so so normal, my first born went alot more with daddy and now I feel left out! all I can advise is have lots of 1-1 time just you and her. It really does work, even if ypou go out for half an hour walk around the block. dedicate some time to her and be patient x

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