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to wonder whether protest marches ever achieve anything

30 replies

activate · 26/03/2011 18:20

and what's the point in them

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squeakytoy · 26/03/2011 18:30

Well todays is achieving a lot of mess, destruction, and making us look like a country of thugs and mindless idiots.

VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 18:32

They were talkign about this on Radio 4 today and said that yes in the past many marches had - Poll Tax protests and Vietnam protests among them.

I have to say though, even if the chances of the protest making a difference are slim then I think its terrible to say there is no point in them. Its still very, very important that people can make their feelings known/peacefully protest. Very apathetic to say well it won't make a difference so why bother.

BitOfFun · 26/03/2011 18:34

I hate the way the Met are behaving too, squeakytoy.

squeakytoy · 26/03/2011 18:35

Not very peaceful though, is it?

I know its a small minority that are doing the damage, but the long term effect on the economy will be felt. Tourists will not want to come to London if they see the footage of yet more riots. Saturday afternoon and Oxford Street should be full of shoppers, not masked thugs smashing windows and causing hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of damage.

Butterbur · 26/03/2011 18:36

Well apparently 2 million people marched against Tony Blair defying the UN and going into Iraq, so I'd say no, they don't work.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/03/2011 18:36

Going on the Criminal Justice Bill march didn't do a lot for me but at least I felt that I was doing something. If people stop marching then how will the Government know when they have gone too far?

VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 18:36

"Police said the main march was "peaceful" but there have been unrelated incidents of public disorder, attacks on businesses and 13 arrests.

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Doesn't sound like mess and destruction or a thuggy image to me.

squeakytoy · 26/03/2011 18:36

I am watching it on the news right now.

expatinscotland · 26/03/2011 18:38

I think they're mostly a waste of time myself.

BitOfFun · 26/03/2011 18:38

Most of the thugs are in uniform. And the troublemakers who are offering people £25 to throw a brick are either journos or cops.

VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 18:39

BBC are saying that the trouble in Piccadilly is "not to do with the TUC march" Even if it is, though I'd never condone it its 150 people out of 200,000.

davidtennantsmistress · 26/03/2011 18:40

well tbh my personal thoughts are if you have the courage to protest & cause vandalism etc you should have the courage of your convictions and not need something to hide your bloody face - unless of course you're ashamed of what you're doing & think you're above te law.

(but that's a personal gripe) nout wrong with peaceful protesters thou.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 26/03/2011 18:41

Egypt.

marmaladetwatkins · 26/03/2011 18:47

Doesn't matter if they don't work, IMO. At least it shows that there are people prepared to do more than sit at home whineing about the country going to shite. This country has been apathetic for too long.

activate · 26/03/2011 18:53

I was in the Poll tax protests - they didn't make any instant change

The anti-war protests again no difference and there were millions taking to the streets

of course it's apathetic - apathy that comes with knowing it makes no odds in GB

but I have to say there's no point in marching if they do nothing

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VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 18:56

Well I disagree, I think there is a point in marching even if it does nothing. Even if the current proposed cuts go ahead unchanged which I think they will. For all we know Cameron will have got the message that people aren't happy and in 6 months time if he's thinking about further cuts will decide not to go down that route as he knows it could tip people over the edge.

paulapantsdown · 26/03/2011 18:58

Tell the people in Taquira square that protests achieve nothing!

a few more examples; poll tax protests, recent woodland protests, no third runway campaign etc etc etc ..... I could go on.

For crying out loud, should we all just let the powers that be just do what they like without uttering a word? Just roll over and take it up the ar*se?! Confused.

i was with my kids today in Hyde Park for the Rally. It was full of people of all colours, age, (disi)abilities and from all walks of life. There was a beautiful atmosphere of solidarity and concern for the greater good.

How can that ever be a bad or pointless thing?

There were upwards of 250,000 people there, and about 150 idiots in the west end. You do the maths.

withagoat · 26/03/2011 18:59

why is this an AIBU thread
an opinion cant really be unresasonable

VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 19:00

The poll tax riots worked a treat. Tens of thousands of people didn't pay and the courts dismissed proceedigns against them. Thatcher was brought down by it all. It took 7 months from the March riots to Thatcher leaving.

www.militant.org.uk/PollTax.html

activate · 26/03/2011 19:04

3-4 years of poll taxes in the UK - I remember non-payers being sent to prison

  • marches were fun to be part of but ineffective
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mercibucket · 26/03/2011 19:08

pmsl at the title of this thread

obviously not been watching the news lately then? Egypt? Yemen? Libya?

MadamDeathstare · 26/03/2011 19:17

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VivaLeBeaver · 26/03/2011 19:22

"The success of The Demo strengthened the battle against the poll tax. Mass non-payment was firmly on the agenda but it still had to be maintained.

On 1 June 1990 over 2,000 local people from the Isle of Wight attended the very first poll tax courts. The proceedings were mayhem and over 1,800 cases were dismissed that day - a scene that was to be repeated at courts throughout England and Wales as tens of thousands of non-payers clogged up the courts.

Within weeks, anti-poll tax unions were chasing bailiffs off wherever these low-life raised their heads. "Bailiffs have no legal right of entry" were the watch words.

Every attempt to jail a non-payer was fought tooth and nail by the Fed whose sterling work kept thousands out of jail. Many a local councillor regretted the day they took public office, especially when campaigners invaded their council chambers, surgeries and even barbecues!

The final victory came on Thursday 22 November as Margaret Thatcher ran crying from the steps of 10 Downing Street to a waiting car - a fitting end to an individual whose policies had caused working-class people and their families to shed an ocean of tears.

Less than eight months after the poll tax had become law in England and Wales, the Militant-led Federation and its campaign of mass non-payment had finally toppled one of the most hated prime ministers in British history. Within months the Tories finally abolished the poll tax.

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activate · 26/03/2011 19:27

is that quoted from "The Militant"?

Poll Tax came in in 89/90 and went out in 93

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southeastastra · 26/03/2011 19:30

i think that today's march has been effing brilliant - great to see so many people out, restores my faith in human kind a little bit.

well done if you made the effort. i think it will achieve something - it already has, it has shown that lots of us will not just roll over and accept what this government is trying to do