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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

or is it none of their business?

23 replies

CheerfulYank · 24/03/2011 17:41

All right, this explanation may be a bit long but: I work at a school from eight til noon every day. DS (3 and a half) attends daycare during that time. His carer is lovely, very nice and warm and loves DS. However. Her son and his best friend (they're 7) are really poorly behaved. I've helped out after school when they've been there, and they bully the little ones, etc. Her son also screams at her, demands things, and has hit her on occasion. She tries to discipline him but he does not listen or behave and there's no follow through. Also, when the school-age DCs are at the daycare there are a lot of children, too many to be properly supervised IMO. (Especially at the carer's son and his friend are very sneaky; they're mean to the others when they're not being watched.) If DS had to be there when the older boys were there...well, I'd find another daycare tbh. But during the day when the older ones are at school it's very low-key, only a few DC, etc. Anyway, finally getting to the point! :) This coming Tuesday there's no school. There's an optional workshop for the support staff and the teacher I work under asked me if I was going. I said I would look into it. I asked ILs if they can watch DS but they can't. I told the teacher that I wouldn't be going as DS would have no one to watch him. Another support staff butted in and said "he can go to daycare can't he?" I explained without going into too much detail why I was uncomfortable with that and she said "well he'll have to learn to stand up for himself at some point!" I said of course, but stated again that I was a bit uncomfortable with the situation and did not want to send him. She started saying "Kids have to realize that they can make their own decisions, blah blah blah..." I was a bit Hmm I mean, he's three! Of course he needs to stand up for himself, but FFS this is an optional thing and I feel like I shouldn't need to go into it.

So, AIBU? Or just a bit PFB? :) I can take it!

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squeakytoy · 24/03/2011 17:44

I would not want my child there at all to be honest. If her own son is so badly behaved, and she is poor at controlling him, then what guidance is she giving to your son.

RufousBartleby · 24/03/2011 17:47

Agree with Squeakytoy. If you feel uneasy about sending him there on occasion is it really good enough?

worraliberty · 24/03/2011 17:49

My eyes are killing me after trying to read that (hope you're not a TA!) Wink

I really would find alternative care. The woman obviously has no control.

heliumballoons · 24/03/2011 17:50

I think your making the right decision. If you feel uncomfortable about sending him you probably won't listen to whats being said at school but worrying about your DS - a bit counterproductive. Wink

As for the children at daycare - if you mean a nursery type setting?. Surely the rooms are split into ages. EG baby room, toddlers, preschool and school age? There are ratios to adhere to and also rules of room size and age of children in it. Check the EYFS website. (unless the 'yank' bit means you abroad?)

Also worth considering if you want DS to carry on, do you want him thinking its OK to hit mummy and demand from her?

TubbyDuffs · 24/03/2011 17:51

I don't think you need to justify yourself to the people you work with; this workshop is optional, therefore if you say you can't do it, you can't.

As for the childcare, have you mentioned to the carer your concerns about her son? I think I would be looking for another carer to be honest.

You absolutely have to feel that your child is safe and happy in someone else's care, don't make do.

PrincessScrumpy · 24/03/2011 17:51

I see what Squeaky is saying but dd has gone to a childminder with a boy who's 2 years older who is rough and badly behaved. tbh it has toughed dd up and she is beautifully behaved so it can be about the child too. I think 1 day would be okay but you are the parent so it has to be a decision you are happy with.

TheVisitor · 24/03/2011 17:53

Your childcare is none of your colleague's business and you don't need to justify your decisions to her.

CheerfulYank · 24/03/2011 17:56

It's an in home daycare. Yes I'm abroad, I'm American. :)

I have actually looked around for other care but haven't found anything. It really is fine when the older children aren't there. Then there is just a baby and a few DC's who are DS' age. And next year he will be at preschool three days a week and will only be at the daycare for a few hours on Tuesday and Thursday mornings.

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LionRock · 24/03/2011 18:18

A three yo should learn to stand up to two 7yo? Seriously?

Go with your gut instinct.

Also, maybe a bit late now, but I find that it's often easier to say "maybe " or "no" without an explanation. Most folk won't ask further, or if they do, will do so in a nice way, like "is there anything I can do to help?". The cheeky/nosey/bossy ones who want you to justify your decisions to them will use any reason you give as cause for an argument. Don't try to justify yourself to them.

elmofan · 24/03/2011 20:40

Go with your gut instincts on this one cheerful
YANBU at all. Ds is much younger than those boys
and they sound nasty tbh.

MadamDeathstare · 24/03/2011 20:44

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CheerfulYank · 24/03/2011 21:07

Thank you. I think if it comes up again I will just say "Tuesday really isn't going to work," calmly and leave it at that.

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Teaandcakeplease · 24/03/2011 21:27

YANBU

I'm learning to be a little more assertive after reading a fine book anniegetyourgun recommended to me, still half way through. I'd just repeat over and over again what it is you want/ or don't want Wink and do not get sidetracked by illogical arguments, suggestions etc by the other party. Works a treat. I'm on my way to bed Cheerful but just had to pop by your thread Grin

Hopefully in my sleep befuddled state it vaguely makes sense what I've said.

CheerfulYank · 25/03/2011 04:56

Thank you for the link Tea ! It looks really interesting, I'll check it out. :)

Worra what's a TA? Confused

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Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 25/03/2011 05:00

Teacher's assistant

CheerfulYank · 25/03/2011 05:01

Um...I kind of am. Oops...was it ungrammatical or something? Confused

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CheerfulYank · 25/03/2011 05:01

AND CONGRATS BTW :)

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Horopu · 25/03/2011 05:50

I think it might have been the lack of paragraphs in the OP.

Northeastgirl · 25/03/2011 08:51

Trust your instincts.

valiumredhead · 25/03/2011 10:35

Go with your instincts and what YOU are happy with, you do NOT have to justify your actions to ANYONE - you are a grown up, it's one of the perks Wink

No one in their right mind would suggest a 3 year old stands up to a 7 year old!

And interestingly a good friend is going through something similar with her child car provider - her child is copying all sorts of behaviour that is totally unacceptable from the child minder's kids. My friend had a quiet word and it has been sorted out - turns out a couple of people had complained. Would you be able to have a quiet word with your ds's child minder?

CheerfulYank · 25/03/2011 12:24

Sorry horopu I was typing as quickly as possible. I'm good at that sort of thing normally, honestly I am! Blush

Valium the carer is aware of the situation. I've said a few things here and there. That's actually why she has me substitute occasionally when she has to go somewhere...the first time I was there I was very firm with him and now he (more or less) listens to me. It's always easy when it's not your child! :)

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valiumredhead · 25/03/2011 12:56

Yes, shame on you for not using paragraphs yanky Grin

It's good she's aware of the situation, hopefully she can work on the behaviour issues a bit. It IS always easy when it's not your child, you're right Grin

Horopu · 26/03/2011 04:36

Don't worry CheerfulYank, I wasn't complaining, just trying to explain what worraliberty was on about! Grin

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