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AIBU?

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To expect M&S to have toilets in their baby changing rooms??

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freyamalaya · 20/03/2011 09:14

I don't know if it's different in other areas but in Cambridge and Scarborough (randomly) there are no toilets in M&S baby changing rooms. So this means after you've changed DC you then have to queue up for the toilet which you can't fit your pram into aarrgh!! Also find their toilets very poor in general, not good enough M&S...

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lesley33 · 20/03/2011 09:16

Its so that men and women can use the babychange. YABU to think that M & S should provide 4 sets of toilets - 1 mens and women - and 1 mens and women at the babychange.

I agree that at our M & S the toilets aren't cleaned/checked enough.

sunnydelight · 20/03/2011 09:25

YABU, I wouldn't expect to find a toilet in a baby change area. As Lesley says babychange should be unisex, also the plumbing required for toilets restricts where they can be put which may not be the most sensible place for a baby changing room.

NotAnotherNewNappy · 20/03/2011 10:27

Use the disabled toilet. This used to annoy me too, where am I supposed to leave PFB while I wee?

whatagradeA · 20/03/2011 10:30

Are they meant to be for feeding and changing babies? Because if it's also a feeding room, people would complain about there being a toilet in there.

FoxyRevenger · 20/03/2011 10:30

It is annoying, but if it is specifically a baby changing room, as opposed to a disabled toilet with a changing table, then no, I wouldn't expect it.

It would make life a lot easier though!

I use the disabled toilet too, but always feel guilty and rush in case someone really needs to use it. There is a 'family' bathroom in our local shopping centre but it's filthy

Ciske · 20/03/2011 10:31

"Use the disabled toilet. This used to annoy me too, where am I supposed to leave PFB while I wee? hmm"

That's what I do. Disabled toilets are rarely in use anyway, and it means you don't have to mess about with toddler/baby in a tiny toilet while hoping that people will leave your stuff alone outside.

TidyDancer · 20/03/2011 10:35

I've only rarely seen toilets in baby changing areas. I think perhaps a branch of Asda I've been in has one.

YABU to expect a toilet tbh, although I do get why you want one there of course.

NotAnotherNewNappy · 20/03/2011 10:41

Also agree M&S toilets are minging.

OTH I often visit John Lewis just to hang out in the family room, toilet, feeding area

MinnieBar · 20/03/2011 10:45

Oh this is so going to kick off about why you shouldn't use disabled toilets? but YABU to expect it, YANBU to think it would be a good idea!

ruddynorah · 20/03/2011 10:47

Ours are nice, recently refurbished. There's mens and ladies with baby change in each, plus a baby change on its own with a loo in a cubicle in there.

FoxyRevenger · 20/03/2011 10:49

Minnie I know it is

But leaving a baby with hideous separation anxiety (i.e. hysterical screaming, tears, snot, etc the second I am out of her sight) whilst I go to the loo and leave her in her buggy is just not going to work.

octopusinabox · 20/03/2011 10:54

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chipmonkey · 20/03/2011 10:55

Feeding and changing should never be in the same area in any case.

I don't change ds4 in a place where there isn't a toilet.We use cloth nappies and dump the poo and keep the nappy so using a bin for that is a bit yuk.

RobynLou · 20/03/2011 10:57

just wait till you've got a toddler and a baby, and the toddler decides they need the toilet while you're changing the baby. said toddler can't hold on for more than a minute.....

then you REALLY wish there was a loo in the changing room!

AMumInScotland · 20/03/2011 11:04

FoxyRevengr - depending on the layout, you can sometimes park the buggy in the doorway of the cubicle and just not shut the door! Less privacy for you of course, but baby can still see you....

HeidiKat · 20/03/2011 11:32

The Almondvale shopping centre in Livingston has the best baby changing room I have used so far, nice and clean with a comfy padded changing mat not just a hard plastic one and a toilet cubicle for mum, plus you can lock the whole room so that you can leave the cubicle door open while using it, as my DD freaks out if she can't see me.

PepsiPopcorn · 20/03/2011 11:54

YANBU. How difficult would it be to provide a toilet? It's a real problem when there are no loos that have room for a pram/buggy. Disabled option isn't always available to non-disabled people.

bellavita · 20/03/2011 11:57

It is just bleugh to have toilets in a baby changing room. YABU.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 20/03/2011 11:58

disabled option ?? please don't use the disabled toilet unless you are disabled

wee in the ladies with the door open and baby in the buggy in front of you

ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 20/03/2011 12:10

You should only use disabled toilets if you are disabled.

If you are not disabled you should not be in the disabled toilet. It's not rocket science. My nephew is disabled, he is in nappies at the age of nine and time after time he has been forced to patiently sit in his own stinking waste and wait for people who shouldn't be using the disabled toilet to leave. USUALLY this will be mums with tanks as prams.

Would you like to sit in your own shit for longer than needed ? Would you like your school age child to ? No you wouldn't, because it's humiliating. And it stinks.

And then there was the woman yesterday who lied abouther grandaughter being disabled because she didn't want to wait to have to use the softplay/sensory room (we have our own sessions) we know she was lying because she'd been seen being turned away by another member of the group an hour before and because when I politely said this was a SN session (I was concerned as the child was only about 18 months, the eldest in our group is 15) she started ranting and raving, i'll watch her etc then left !!

And i'm usually very sceptical about these sort of situations arising (ie I think some of the ones posted on ere are exaggerated) but yesterday I came across it wimme own two eyeballs. Am still in shock, was v strange

Fluteyboots · 20/03/2011 12:20

Our m&s has a nice baby change with a loo in a cubicle in there, and a comfy chair on the other side of the room. No problem with it being unisex, and it's big enough that I wouldn't have had a problem bfing DS in there. Cafe is also bf friendly.

I have a big problem with leaving buggy outside ladies while I use loo. In most of them, to leave the buggy in sight, even with door open, would mean obstructing access for other people or for the sinks. If there are no proper facilities I will use the disabled loo, I don't really see what the alternative is. In plenty of places, the disabled and baby change is in fact combined anyway.

devientenigma · 20/03/2011 12:36

Most of the disabled toilets here use a radar key, even in department stores. Maybe they should do this everywhere.

Fluteyboots · 20/03/2011 12:46

I would 100% support that, but they should put a loo in the baby change as well.

And they need to ensure that the key is accessible. I was shopping with a disabled person, and we had to wait for ages because they couldn't find a key (don't know what a radar key is, this was a thingy like in a hotel room). Was distressing for the person concerned.

confuddledDOTcom · 20/03/2011 12:54

Fortunately around here most change rooms do have toilets, it's great when you have two or to keep a baby safely contained whilst you go to the loo.

There's no such thing as a disabled toilet, if there was you wouldn't be using it! They're accessible toilets for people with accessiblity needs. I wouldn't complain if parents came out of the loo when I've been waiting, it's not the same as a healthy person on their own who can't be bothered to wait in the queue! Usually accessible toilets have a changing station in them anyway.

What does annoy me is when you have to push past the ladies queue and they get abusive because there's a queue when you're going to a different place to them. Mum offered to change someone's nappy whilst she was in there as she was so angry about her "pushing in"

confuddledDOTcom · 20/03/2011 12:55

Radar actually prefer for toilets to be left open unless there's a risk of vandalism.

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