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to think comic relief is a manipulative millionaire sleb lovein?

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glasnost · 19/03/2011 08:12

After watching most of last night's nth comic relief can't help thinking it's ever more hypocritical in laying a guilt trip on us poor folk to get us to part with some of the dwindling cash we have whilst never getting to the root of the problem.

Political corruption, greedy pharmaceutical companies etc. Without addressing these core problems we'll keep on having comic relief as an annual salve to people's consciences while poverty and injustice continue.

Jonathan Ross et al who earn vast amounts have alot of front in standing there emotionally blackmailing us when the obscene wealth he and others like him earn is part of the problem. AIBU?

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glasnost · 19/03/2011 10:53

What is it about WEALTH DISTRIBUTION that you don't understand bogeyface??? You can sit on AIBU all day slagging of someone who's already given you the only real solution there is to eradicating poverty yet you refuse to pay heed.

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BaggedandTagged · 19/03/2011 10:54

"Did Bob Geldof have it all wrong? Should he have approached the African famine situation differently?"

In a way, yes, because he tried to solve a problem he was incapable of solving. He stopped a few people starving at that instant, but he did nothing to solve the actual underlying problem. He couldn't. How can a pop star solve the problem of poor, corrupt, incompetent government and constant, bloody, civil war that constantly interrupts any chance of economic development?

bemybebe · 19/03/2011 11:00

Are you a communist glasnost?

ivykaty44 · 19/03/2011 11:01

yes giving money to rich people in poor countries is a bit daft - is that really where our money goes?

bemybebe · 19/03/2011 11:02

because your communist experiments failed all around the world

BaggedandTagged · 19/03/2011 11:06

ivykaty- pretty much. someone mentioned the book "Dead Aid" up the thread. It's a very good read. Most aid money gets diverted along the chain, plus many "aid" schemes, however well meaning, often destroy fledgling businesses by giving for nothing what the small businesses were making and selling (e.g. mosquito nets). Aid can also actively encourage corruption as not enough of the money has strings attached.

Personally, I think one of the best ways to help is the micro finance schemes that are being set up in some villages to help people set up their own businesses. That is how Africa will get out of poverty, not getting a cheque from Sir Bob.

glasnost · 19/03/2011 11:13

If thinking and feeling that money being concentrated in the hands of a few at untold expense to the majority is being a communist then, yes, I must be. There's enough money to go round everyone in the world but it gets kept in the pockets of a miniscule minority. Hence poverty. Hence we should reject those parties out to further this iniquitous system. Not just do a bit for charideee. However if people feel better giving a fiver go ahead. I have done.

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glasnost · 19/03/2011 11:16

And I don't see capitalism doing much good round the flagellated globe!

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Bogeyface · 19/03/2011 11:18

I understand perfectly well about wealth redistribution, and I ask again....HOW?!!!

TEll me how you think that it can be done and how you think that the ordinary people in the street can help. And dont forget to take into account those that are too selfish to care, those that have no interest in anything outside their own lives, those that genuinely dont understand the problem and the economic situations of each community throughout the world.

Repeating the same words over and over isnt giving any more information on exactly how you think that your miracle solution can actually, realistically, be achieved.

Bogeyface · 19/03/2011 11:21

I didnt mention political systems over which we have no sway, ie: anything outside our own country, as I assumed it was a given but on reflection perhaps I ought to spell it out....

How do you plan to eradicate the world of the corrupt politicians? Kill the dictator? Dont worry, they'll be another one along in a minute......

Bogeyface · 19/03/2011 11:21

There'll**

ivykaty44 · 19/03/2011 11:21

thanks baggedandtagged, had a look at amazon and the reviews and makes for interesting debate and food for thought on how aid is the problem rather than solving the problem it is fueling it

Ciske · 19/03/2011 11:25

I gave money yesterday. It's not going to solve the problems in Africa, but charity always makes me think of the story below:

An old man walks along a beach and sees a young boy throwing something into the water. As he approaches, he sees hundreds of starfish lining the beach, washed in from the tide. The young boy is rushing around, throwing the starfish back into the water one by one. The old man asks why he bothers, it?s pointless. There are too many starfish to help them all. As he flings a starfish deep into the water, the young boy replies, ?It mattered to that one.?

KingofHighVis · 19/03/2011 11:28

reading between the lines - The solution proffered by glasnost et al is to increase taxes and increase government aid?

HowBreastfeedingWorks · 19/03/2011 11:31

This argument suggests that people believe slebs don't ever give money to charity - which is absurd. Some may not, but many do.

E.g. James Corden gave his Brits fee to Comic Relief

My issue with Comic Relief is it ignores one of the big reasons for infant mortality, as this link sets out.

I've asked them here if they boycott Nestle. Wonder if I'll get a reply!

bemybebe · 19/03/2011 11:32

Wealth redistribution kills competition that has made Western civilization so successful (through innovation, increased productivity, economic growth, etc). Wealth redistribution inevitably favors those (non-producers) who are in charge of such redistribution at the expense of wealth creators.

I am absolutely amazed that after the cold war and the defeat of Soviet Union anyone can suggest wealth redistribution as the cure to the ills of this world.

Maybe you should visit Cuba to see what your ideology WILL lead to.

Bogeyface · 19/03/2011 11:34

i think Glasnost is missing the main point of why it fails......

Shit floats.

The bad guys will always end up at the top somewhere, somehow.

bemybebe · 19/03/2011 11:37

KingofHighVis it starts with higher taxes and centralized aid to the needy and finishes with from each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) (a basic principle of a communist society), GULAG and everyone is poor apart from party apparatchiks.

MrsKarteDor · 19/03/2011 11:37

Well I am far too dim to join in with the debate at the stage it's got to now, but I agree Grin

However to answer the original point, I also agree.

I gave to charity - pointlessly or not - and I even baked some cakes for our cake sale at work yesterday, but only because it was something to make with DDs and I like cake. A lot.

What I don't like is the way it's rammed down your throat and if you DON'T want to get involved in any red nose shennanigans then you are seen as mean-spirited or selfish. What's wrong with just giving time/money quietly the rest of the year and not making a big sodding CR deal about it?

At school when CR first started I wrote an essay entitled 'Prisoner of conscience' about it. I was a chippy lass and got into trouble as that was NOT what the essay was supposed to be about Grin

glasnost · 19/03/2011 11:40

bemybebe Cuba is the direct outcome of a country whose revolution was partly betrayed by Castro but primarily is the victim of decades of unjust embargoes instigated by US.

Their health system is still better than many so called free countries.

Quite often that corruption cited by many as a cause of thirld world poverty has been initiated, fostered and perpetuated buy our own governments who happily plunder those countries. I go back to a previous point re. BP. Shell etc. Oh do come on. We're adults on here. We all know this surely? And James Corden giving his Brits fee is still prob proportionately less than a working bloke/tte giving a fiver of his/her hard earned, pittance of a wage.

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prettyfly1 · 19/03/2011 11:41

I really dislike sneering down noses at events that encourage people with a comparitively high standard of living to think about and try to show compassion for those who do not

Millions of people handed over money they dont have yesterday because they wanted to TRY to help. Intellectualising that as "it is for us not them" and "well it doesnt really help anyway" takes away from that fact.

I am just as aware as the next person that aid can be counter productive and that much of the donation is taken in corruption but to tell those millions of people "oh all that effort was for nowt - thanks a bunch" when all they tried to do was HELP is patronising and smacks of political snobbery. Lets be honest shall we - wealth distribution is NEVER going to happen and it is almost always those with the least who give the most. At least they tried. Pissing all over it in the name of "the truth" is a rotten attitude.

If your post had read "god I dont like comic relief because I dont feel it tells the truth for the following reasons and I wish we could mobilise the amazing support the country gives for something really beneficial like this (this being x,y,z)" it would have been different but as it is YABU.

P.S on the celebs giving thing, Sandra Bullock just handed a million to Japan after giving the same to Haiti last year. I cant really stomach celebs who ask for money and dont back it up either but there are some who do an awful lot.

ivykaty44 · 19/03/2011 11:43

so toffee crisps kills babies and kitkat kills orangutans

so buy not buying those products would effectively do more than giving money - is that right?

Punkatheart · 19/03/2011 11:43

Oh dear, some of this is beginning to sound like Karl Pilkington's mock rants on Comic Relief. I hate the cleb fest thing as much as mot people - despise the bloated thick-skinned J Ross and his cronies. But ultimately - the money goes to saving people's sight, getting antiobiotics where there aren't any, giving people the possibility of living better lives. Working, eating, being happy.

Of course wealth distribution would be a fantastic idea. But it is not practical, would never work. As someone mentioned, communism has not worked in so many countries, on so many levels. The world is predominantly capitalist and we must deal with what we have, rather than what we might have in an ideal world.

Giving money does not make the problem worse. It's a ridiculous thing to say and often an excuse for people not to give. I have heard all the 'oh well most the money doesn't go to the places' etc. That may have been twenty years ago but people still harp on about it. There are so many tighter controls. My mother-in-law sponsors a child in India with Sightsavers and she actually went to visit her child. If it makes her feel good so what?

Awareness, compassion, actually thinking of the world as a whole and not somewhere separate - that's what Comic Relief and other charities do. No one would watch it if it was hosted by Bob who works at th Coop or Dave who sings in the local pub. We have the celebrities, despite our misgivings. A lot of people spend time, love and energy on something they care about, in a difficult economic time. Bravo.

I like your story very much Ciske. It reminds of us that we all do things that don't make sense. We make our beds - even though we sleep in them again. We wash up - even though the dishes get dirty.

The government can't keep giving huge amounts of money to charities - we would be bankrupt and African children would be watching US on television. This is the only system that works and it may take years to build up infrastructures, staff, change attitudes. It's a long term goal but I would despair if I thought anyone with a soul thought that removing all aid, standing by your dubious principles and then not seeing the suffering, makes the world a better place.

If lots of people developed that attitude, I would feel despair at humanity.

Give money. Children covered in flies and infected with diseases haven't got time to have a philosophical discussion about politics and the nature of giving.

FFS.

MrsKarteDor · 19/03/2011 11:44

Oh and I just remembered, I have the original Comic relief album - on vinyl! I wonder if it is still funny...?

ivykaty44 · 19/03/2011 11:45

but prettyfly - that a bit like saying your sneering at people helping heroine addicts buy heroine - your only doing it to help them as they are suffering.

I want to know where money goes and if it is going to do the right things - its not sneering but informative

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