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to ask what is wrong with Disney movies?

94 replies

bubbleymummy · 10/03/2011 21:22

A lot of people have mentioned hating them on recent threads and I'm just wondering why.

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Missymorrison87 · 11/03/2011 12:19

I used to love disney. Up until it went from beautiful 2D creations to all this 3D shit. Cartoons arent just cartoons anymore they are all well.... weird.

I think its crap they cant just bring out 2D animations anymore. All this other modern stuff is crap WITH THE EXCEPTION of Toy Story 1-3.

They also tend to take a classic original disney film and make a really boring, crappy sequel to it. Like Bambi 2 etc.

zukiecat · 11/03/2011 12:27

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OTheHugeManatee · 11/03/2011 12:28

Eviltwin , nightsky

"nightsky - can't blame Disney for that. Hans Christian Anderson did it first. And I'm sure the original fairy tale has the added delight that the mermaid feels excrutiating pain with every step she takes after her tail has been turned into legs. I rememeber taking the Ladybird Read-It-Yourself version of it with me when I was hospitalised with a dodgy appendix aged 5."

Atchly, I reckon the Hans Christian Anderson version is actually a pretty accurate take on what happens to women within patriarchy. The mermaid gets to marry the prince, but in return is silenced as men's voices matter more loses the ability to speak and has to wear painful high heels suffers excruciating pain as she walks.

To me that reads like a useful warning: by all means twists your body and personality to attract a man: you'll probably get him if you do, but this is the price you'll pay.

OTheHugeManatee · 11/03/2011 12:28

*too many 'actually' s in that post, sorry.

DeidreBarlow · 11/03/2011 12:33

Love Disney. And so does not my DD (4). She loves to dress up as a Princess, she does not aspire to marry a prince but her brother who is 2 Hmm.

She is a child and as such watches the film through the eyes of a child! Sometimes good story, bright, colourful, funny and more importantly gives me and hour or so to MNclean/iron etc.

Really apart from the merchandise overkill they do no harm...although I have to admit to still being traumatised by the death of Mufasa in The Lion KingBlush

LDNmummy · 11/03/2011 12:43

Diznie is racist and perpetuates stereotypes of women. Thats enough for me not to like it.

LDNmummy · 11/03/2011 12:45

BTW, before I get flamed, I have been studying fairy tales as part of my literature degree for 3 years and am writing about the portrayal of women in them for my dissertation. So I am basing my opinion on that.

sherbetpips · 11/03/2011 12:47

got to say not a massive fan - we had to leave toy Story 3 (is that Disney?) as my DS was in tears at the horror of it all - all the toys holding hands as they went into the fire - bleugh

The general theme of death, disfiguration and misfortune all being made better by finding someone rich or being beautiful - yak.

MoChan · 11/03/2011 12:53

Toy Story 3 is brilliant. I don't think Pixar films 'count' as Disney. Even though Pixar is owned by Disney. Pixar existed before it was owned by Disney, and that's why it's good.

sungirltan · 11/03/2011 14:09

ldnmummy - i agree plus your disseration sounds fascinating - envious!!

mostly i just hate the over merchandising. i have pictures of my brithday parties and other fancy dress occasions (i am 31). all my little friends and i are dressed up in various homemade fancy dress outfits looking very cute and happy. i went to my god daughter's 3rd birthday recently -it was a princess party obv :-( - all the little girls were wearing shop bought, branded disney princess outfits. there were about 4 belles! the dresses look cheap and nasty imo

its the disney version of the jungle book that makes me the most cross. its personal i suppose. i read TJB as a child and was deeply affected by it and its messages, especially the chapter 'letting in the jungle' its an intense book - a bunch of cartoon monkeys singing didn't really match up for me

on a side note i loved the book of a little mermaid (real version not disney). i did find it sad but she finds peace at the end when she becomes the wind. its a strange story though.

Mrsdoasyouwouldbedoneby · 11/03/2011 14:31

Apparently children can relish the scary. Apparently it allows them to explore their fears in a safe way and when the 'bad' guy gets his, it is reassuring. A bit of sacrifice adds to the mix. So all good emotional development stuff (I can't remember where I read it... one of my study books).

That said I was always deeply traumatised by (cold sweat starting)... Watership Down... can't blame disney for that one... OMW it is the most gory 'U' classifcation EVER. It really shouldn't be a U... the bunnies are all twitchy and slathery.. BLECK My children and DH taunt me with the DVD... They are not scared by it..... it always gave me nightmares....

We like Mulan in our house. And Emperor's New Groove... Cars tooo but has been watched to death (dvd quite literally).

Pixar is fun too...

Despite me not wanting to load up on princess stuff DD seems to adore pink (even tho I have told her it used to be a boy colour).... But she also has a good run in horrible stories, so all is well!

DS used to dress as a Fairy Pirate... actually he still likes to dress up in frills at 6... am pleased for him! He is usually 'not' a princess tho... I think they are usually aliens or something? Who knows!

Felt all better, then I re-read my post and now have the Black Rabbit floating around my head... Shiver....

silverfrog · 11/03/2011 14:33

sungirltan - I see that more as lazy parenting than the fault of Disney, though. All those girls could easily have been dressed as princesses from the home dressing up box rather than a Disney outfit.

If it were my dd2, I would have at least made her tiara, for eg. and probably made jewellery too. no need for it to be a Disney bought costume.

I do agree that the Disney sanitisation of stories is annoying, but it is not just Disney that this happens with - I can't think of a film I've seen, where I have also read the book, where I have not been annoyed/disappointed.

my dissertation was on language use/stereotyping of gender via language use, with emphasis on children's stories.

it was interesting, and I learnt a lot. does it mean I now avoid the stories I studied?

no.

it just means I am more aware of what to try to balance out.

all fairy tales are grim, and most are particularly grim where women are concerned. but I do read them to my dds, and we talk about how things could be done differently/how the world has changed (or not!) etc.

I don't understand why everyone objects to the whole merchandising thing - it is easy enough to say "no".

I rememeber having a Postman Pat lunchbox, and writing paper to write to my dad when he was abroad - no one objected to that then, and I don't see why anyone would object to a child haivng eg an Alice band with tinkerbell on it.

the make up/perfume kits etc I do object to - but then Disney are hardly the only offenders here - also found in Claire's, M&S, and all the supermarkets. the only way to stop things like thatbeing produced for small children is to not buy them, which just goes back to my point about saying "no"

BuzzLiteBeer · 11/03/2011 14:43

fairy tales are meant to be grim, it has always been this way. They are a mechanism for teaching about real life in a safe way, plus most kids love to be scared by things like that.

Blaming Disney for being supposedly being both scary and saccharine is kinda missing the point.

AmazingBouncingFerret · 11/03/2011 14:52

Ahh I love a Disney thread I get to roll out these

Abcinthia · 11/03/2011 15:06

I like the Disney films.

It's the original fairy tales that messed me up. The Red Shoes by Hans Christian Andersen was the worst one, especially when the Karen goes to the executioner to get her feet chopped off.

lililolo · 11/03/2011 16:33

I loathe the Disney princess thing too, and have really struggled with my conscience as dd (4.5) loves them. Not the films so much, but the dressing up and associated tat. I decided that it was more important to her self esteem that I didn't ban or put her off it as it is probably the first thing she's got into on her own. I just make sure she has plenty of other interests and plenty of other toys and let the Disney princess simpering idiots be part of it if she wants.

I played with sindy, barbie and othe pink tat when I was little and still grew up to be a feminist, I really think there is plenty of time to influence her beyond the age of 5. I went on to do a women's studies degree and chair a national feminist organisation so I don't think it did me much harm.

Example: I recently read the twilight saga as dh bought it for me for Christmas. I was moaning to him about the mysoginist messages throught the books, especially as they are aimed at children who are just learning about relationships, and he asked me what I'd do if dd wanted to read them when she's older. I wasn't sure at first but I decided i'd probably read them at the same time and then we can discuss the issues (edward's emotional abuse, bella's manipulation of male characters, including her father) as a way of talking to her about the issues. Sometimes allowing children to do things which go against your own morals works in your favour as you are allowing them to figure things out for themselves instead of inflicting it on them. We remember more of what we learn than we are told and all that.

PrincessScrumpy · 11/03/2011 16:41

I like Disney but am still shocked by how obsessed dd has become since Christmas - she dresses up every day and just loves talking about the characters. She loves the books etc.

PrincessScrumpy · 11/03/2011 16:45

I'd rather watch a Disney film than one that tries too hard to be politically correct. I think people are too easily offended - you can believe in equality and enjoy a fictional film.

msrisotto · 11/03/2011 17:37

Do you have to try hard to be politically correct?

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