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to expect to be able to afford to get to work

84 replies

hissymissy · 08/03/2011 22:39

The local news depressed me tonight. Fuel prices are set to go up, possibly as much as £2 a litre. How are we expected to get to work? Public transport here is a joke, there are very few jobs around where I live, and even if I could afford the cost of removals, there are no affordable rents in the town where I work.

I do car share, but that could change as one of the people I share with is leaving next year and the other is regularly off work sick.

I think I will lose it if the government puts up fuel duty yet again. The current rise in the cost of living is totally unsustainable.

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ethelina · 09/03/2011 08:30

And no, I don't live anywhere public transport or an electric car is an option. I could get a motorbike and strap Boy on the back but I don't think they do helmets for babies yet. He would look cool in full leathers though Smile

dementedma · 09/03/2011 08:36

petrol costs are killing us. neither DH nor i can use public transport because of shift patterns/rural locations and the cost for two clapped out second cars to get us to work and back is horrendous. I am actually working at home today to save petrol costs and going to ask the boss if I can do that once a week..we spend more on petrol than on our mortgage each month, believe it or not!

AlpinePony · 09/03/2011 08:44

3 years ago I was living in a very rural area (40 minute round trip for milk) - my diesel was going up literally daily and I saw the writing on the wall, sold up and moved in to town because I just couldn't afford it. I've just bought a house within walking distance to the train station and diesel is now way higher than it was 3 years ago and have I had a payrise? Have I fuck. :(

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 09/03/2011 08:52

If you are reliant on a car to get to work because don't have decent public transport then I'm afraid either you are living in the wrong place or your employer is based in the wrong place.

People have made assumptions about the cost of personal transport that are turning out to be wrong - this is very uncomfortable and it is something that employers have to address as much as anyone else.

wordfactory · 09/03/2011 08:58

DH spent much of this weekend arguing with his partners that staff in London must have a payrise because the price of everything is shooting up.

It will soon become impossible for people to commute and yet they can't afford to live in town.

ethelina · 09/03/2011 09:01

I could try working from home but my patients wouldn't get seen. I could move closer to work but then my husband would be further away from his. I could look for a job closer to home but there aren't any right now. I could give up work... Yep.

It's very easy to say all these suggestions but not very practical for 99% of us.

NinkyNonker · 09/03/2011 09:02

It isn't just a problem in London unfortunately, at least there is decent public transport there.

We've cut back to one car and minimise usage. DH takes it for work (5 miles away when he hasn't been posted 45 miles away like now Angry) apart from one day a week when I use it. I try to cram in everything we need to do in that time. Cost has still gone from around £60 per month to nigh on £90. DH will dig the bike out soon I think.

Will certainly add to the cost of camping holidays!

mummynoseynora · 09/03/2011 09:02

we have gone down to one car in our family because of the costs of fuelling... luckily we live reasonably close to where we both work and DH regularly rides / runs in, but he also has some self employment which causes a big headache as its a giant trek which he needs to start at the time I finish work... its basically a logistical nighmtare we have been putting up with for about 18months, but seeing fuel prices now I am glad we did - we'd be screwed otherwise!

Ooopsadaisy · 09/03/2011 09:03

My car has definitely got to go this year. Going to have to cycle to work n all weathers. I am already cycling whenever the weather is ok (ish).

Am doing more regular trips to the shops by bike or walking to avoid using petrol. It's taking over my days off as i can only manage so much at a time!

Eating and heating will be next.

How the hell are people affording it?

These programmes on the TV like Come Dine with Me - who can afford that kind of food?

Top Gear really bugs me - so who can afford those cars?

Indith · 09/03/2011 09:11

Thing is it is all very well saying we should live closer to work etc but the fact is that life has changed, we don't live and work inthe same tows any more,we work in city centres where there is no housing or we work in out of town business parks. Couples both work off in different directions so live somewhere in between. If we were to say that you shouldn't live in rural area and commute then rural areas would suffer as they would be left with a few retired folk and a couple of disgruntled farmers.

We live in a village, not very rural but it costs £5 return on the bus to the city. I would love to work now dcs are getting annoying older but have not worked in a proper job before so getting something that pays enough for childcare and then commute is near impossible. Dh works in another city, when we moved here he worked in an out of town business park and it was a nice drive over the back roads, easy. The office moved ot the city centre so he either has to drive to near the closest station, piss people off by dumping the car ina residentail street, walk to station, get train and then walk to work or drive intot he city centre and pay for parking. Both options cost about £10 a day which is a lot, lot, lot for us. He is due to change assignment soon and we are seriously considering him working away as then work would pay costs and we would save that £50 a week.

Anyway, what I mean by describing that is that when we moved here the commute and the cost of it was fine, thent he office moved. Surely we cannot then be expected to sell our house and buy somewhere else? Petrol prices are bloody scary, We really cannot absorb more of a rise and believe me we were very cautious, very sensible when working out the cost of our mortgage and so on.

catsmother · 09/03/2011 09:32

Right .... so anyone struggling with commuter costs must be living in the wrong place and/or their employer is in the wrong place ?? Hmmm .... how to remedy that then ?

Oh yeah .... Step 1: move closer to your job. This assumes that you can actually sell, that you don't have negative equity, that the house prices closer to work are the same or less than the area you currently live in and that you have "spare" money to cover associated moving costs like legal fees, stamp duty etc.

Or, Step 2: look for work closer to home. This assumes that there is work available first off, that you're lucky enough to be selected for a job that many others are also chasing, that local wages are equivalent to your current job or that the saving made from reduced travel costs is greater than a difference in wages and that your particular skills and experience are represented by local vacancies.

The reality for many people is that they are totally trapped - by their homes and/or their jobs. There are NO jobs my DP could do closer to home unless he took a huge pay drop - which would obviously be pointless - as jobs in his sector tend to be based in a few particular cities. Conversely, we can't move closer to his job as we already live as close as we can afford to be ... any nearer and prices get more and more expensive. Even if we could get a larger mortgage - which is another factor due to the tightening up of mortgage criteria/multiples, the additional expense of that would be greater than the saving in commuting costs.

It's an utterly crap situation for probably 100s of 1000s of people who can't do anything about it other than ride out the storm and continually cut back their standard of living in the meantime (e.g. food, heating, clothing - never mind non essentials) so they can afford to get to work. Contrary to what some people believe, paying significant commuting costs - be they petrol and/or train fares isn't actually a choice for many ... you pay them or you lose your job ... because there is no alternative.

In our particular case the irony is that my DP works for a company whose products, amongst other things, are touted as a solution for homeworkers. The ability to work from home is one of their selling points and emphasised to prospective clients. Yet working from home for most of their employees is frowned upon and actively discouraged except in the most exceptional of circumstances. My DP's job is 95% desk based, dealing with outside clients, and therefore in theory he could do the same job just as well from home for the vast majority of the working week, excluding occasional face to face meetings and consultations with colleagues .... which in reality could easily be condensed into a half day every week if that. Yet due to company policy he must spend 3 plus hours commuting every day at a cost of more than £400 per month. It's sickening ..... and no, he hasn't had a payrise for years either.

ssd · 09/03/2011 09:36

YANBU its ridiculous

ENormaSnob · 09/03/2011 09:38

I live close to work but cannot use public transport due to shift times and childcare opening hours.

Plus I need the car when I do community work. 2 clinics and 8 home visits are not possible on public transport. Well not within the working day anyway.

ilovemyhens · 09/03/2011 09:43

I have finally found a job that I like after 20 years of working in some really lousy care homes Sad

My work is 17 miles away and I drive a tiny car, but the costs are still creeping up. If I left my job I would be really miserable because all the local care homes are not up to standard.

ChorltonChick · 09/03/2011 09:43

My family finaces are just getting dire..both public sec, so pension contributions going to go up by £250/month apparently when that kicks in! DH earns over the Child benefit threshold so losing that (£132.00) and yes, the cost getting to work (we have to have two cars) is a complete joke.

How can any normal family cope with this, other than having a miserable no treat life - which I why we all work isn't it?

catsmother · 09/03/2011 09:56

Thing is Chorlton, what concerns me is that for many families things are now - or soon will be - at the point where it's not "just" about having a miserable no treat life. Agree that's bloody soul destroying but these are hard times etc etc and (she says optimistically) there are some enjoyable things you can still do wth little or no money - providing you can rewire your brain in regard to accepting what you have and making the most of it blah blah blah.

No .... my concern is that being able to afford essentials - not treats - is becoming very very hard, if not impossible, for lots of people. Many people are already rationing heating in an attempt to save money and I truly believe that there will be some families struggling to buy enough food because there are so many other demands on their income. There is anecdotal evidence all over the web about people changing their eating/shopping habits to cut costs - which isn't necessarily a bad thing per se - but it becomes so if adults are regularly skipping meals to make sure their kids are fed, or people are continuously eating crap long term because it's all they can afford. In those circumstances people would be delighted to afford a basic standard of living - i.e. enough food and warmth and would undoubtedly choose that over treats. Yet the current financial climate is threatening even those basic standards for many.

ToriaPumpkinHead · 09/03/2011 11:34

Ok TheCoalitionNeedYou please tell me how I can make my situation better.

I live approx 2 miles from my High St place of work. My DH is 4 miles from his. There is no bus that goes directly from our house to his place of work. He would have to sit on the twenty minute long bus ride from our house to my place of work (which gets me in forty minutes early as the next bus would get me there late), then get off, walk around the city centre to another bus stop and pay another £1.20 to get the bus from there to work. He would have to repeat this at the end of the day. As there is only one bus company they come whenever they feel like it and I've been late on more than one occasion due to buses simply not showing up. As it is there are no buses on Sunday so when my Sunday rotation comes up how am I expected to get to work?

The buses run every half hour from eight am, before that (from six) they are every hour, and they run until seven pm meaning trips to the cinema, supermarket etc are impossible without a car or paying for taxis (which are £10 each way to the retail park) and if one of us has to work late we are once again stuck.

We can just about afford to run a car and the majority of the time we manage to car share and one of us will find something to do so that we can synchronise our finishing hours, but on days when I have Drs or midwives appts I need the car as once again, there are no buses to the surgery or hospital that wouldn't take over an hour and cost me over £5 there and back (ten minutes in the car to the hospital, twenty to the surgery).

Oh, and I work for minimum wage and my company have not offered pay rises in over four years other than the mandatory rises in minimum wage. That's £6 an hour, not the living wage of £6.75.

tyler80 · 09/03/2011 11:38

Can you or he bike to work?

ToriaPumpkinHead · 09/03/2011 11:46

He does when he can but he's currently awaiting knee surgery for a torn cruciate ligament. He also runs a climbing club (when he can walk straight) so often has massive bags of kit. And I have the balance of Bambi and am a complete menace on a bike. I do get the bus when I can, but it's a PITA taking a short eternity to get anywhere and £5 a day eats into my £90 a month I have left over from paying my share of the mortgage.

thefirstMrsDeVere · 09/03/2011 11:51

I have to use my car for work. I dont have a choice. i would much prefer to walk or cycle. Its part of my work conditions that I drive because I do home visits around the borough.

I only work 10 hrs a week so although my hourly rate is fine, my wages are very low (I have caring responsiblities so cant really work more hours).

Got an email this week informing us of changes in travel allowances. This seems to mean that we wont be getting any. I HAVE to use my car, I dont have a choice which families I visit, I have to carry a lot of equipment (a lot of which I buy myself) and now I am going to have to pay for the petrol as well?

So my little, low income family are going to be subsidising our local government?

Bloody bollocks.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 09/03/2011 11:54

ToriaPumpkinHead - For 2-4 miles I would run or cycle.

But that's not really the point - you have chosen to live where you live on the basis that personal car transport would remain affordable. That no longer seems to be the case. That's not your fault as such - but it does mean that you know live in the wrong place for your current circumstances.

If this is affecting a lot of people then they and their EMPLOYERS, and the people who want them to come to their retail parks to spend money need to work out a solution. Paying Bus companies to offer a better service is one solution.

I've been stuck commuting by bus into the back on beyond. It's not great, but with an adequate service it's ok.

Where you live, where your employer is based ans where the shops are have been based on a set of assumptions that no longer apply.

TheCoalitionNeedsYou · 09/03/2011 11:56

thefirstMrsDeVere - Can you not just say that you won't use your car for work and ask them for a solution?

LLKH · 09/03/2011 11:58

What about walking? Unless that would mean you walking in the dark which wouldn't be a good idea. 2 miles isn't terribly far and you get a bit of exercise.

DuplicitousBitch · 09/03/2011 12:02

toria - you could walk - no sympathy for anyone who drives less than 8 miles to work.

RitaLynn · 09/03/2011 12:03

I understand entirely how difficult it must be for some, but I would like to echo the point that many have positively chosen to live in places that require a car, and then complain they need a car to get to work.

My brother and his wife moved to a town for work, and chose to live fifteen miles outside in a nice village.