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To ask why some people are such self-serving tossers?!

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JaneS · 25/02/2011 11:56

Angry

A couple of days ago I ran into someone I was an undergraduate with, at a drinks meeting. He's someone I was reasonably friendly with, usually nice enough but we're not close at all. We had a 'conversation' that really pissed me off - I asked him some polite questions about how his work was going (we're both doing PhDs) and he answered at length, with a fair amount of 'oh, aren't I wonderful' guff. He didn't ask me any questions back except for asking me if I was enjoying newly-married life.

This would have been fine, except this drinks meeting had quite a lot of academics at it (ie., the people PhD students are meant to impress and network with), and a guy who's a big name came over midway through and ended up in the conversation. My 'friend' talked over me, went on a lot about himself, etc. Fairly predictable. He managed to drop into the conversation how surprised he was I'd ended up doing a PhD too since I got a 2:1 at undergradute, etc., and also how well he was doing with so many chapters of his PhD written. Although we've been there the same amount of time, it was obvious to me that I'm a lot further on, so when the senior academic asked me if I were doing a PhD too I told him how far I'd got.

I left before both of them. Today in my inbox I have an email from the 'friend' who says 'Prof X and I talked after you left and we both agree your work would really take off if you read A, B and C, I've found them really useful and we think it could really make what you're working on into a proper project. I could email you the details if you like?'

I am just fuming and I really want to know what he said to the Prof after I left. I feel really crap. I can't help suspecting this guy has been running me down and making out that I don't really know what I'm doing and was lying/naive about the stage I said I was at in my work.

I'm partly just ranting here but really furious too.

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Ephiny · 25/02/2011 14:39

Personally I wouldn't start cc'ing the Prof etc, he probably doesn't care and it will just make both of you look weird and petty to him.

bellaella16 · 25/02/2011 15:48

Tisalla - agree the prof may well have been reacting to self serving cock, he must get a lot of it.

Little Red Dragon - My work was done some 20 years ago, Our group also had a self serving cock. He only shut up when one of my male colleagues slept with SSC's fiancee after a raucous party. He never hung out with us again, we still snigger about it now at reunions. SSC went on to have a mediocre academic career and his wife later left him.

HappySeven · 25/02/2011 16:43

I'm with Tisalla and Bella and reckon the Prof's face was probably at the suggestion that a 2.1 wasn't good enough to lead on to a PhD. (I was offered a couple of PhD projects and I've a 2.1 - didn't seem to bother the academics offering the positions.)

If your Prof is worth anything he probably saw through the idiot and hence asked about your PhD. If you can, ignore the plonker and rise above it (although I do like Bella's idea of turning it around on plonker boy).

JaneS · 25/02/2011 16:58

Ephiny - don't worry, I wouldn't copy the prof in. There's no way he'd care (or, probably, even remember the conversation).

I have however emailed the guy and he's not replied yet ...

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LabMonkey · 25/02/2011 18:26

I dealt with a lot of this type of crap when I was doing my PhD. I did a project that I loved for a supervisor who wasn't fashionable (yes Chemistry has fashions) but was one of the good guys. I no longer work in the lab but now work with a lot of very high level academics and industrialists and have realised that they can all see through this crap. The good guys will realise that your "friend" is a twat.

Honestly I got very ill during my PhD due to this sort of crap from people and now that I'm on the other side I can see that all of the anxiety wasn't needed.

Do your project your way and remember that the cocky little shits are usually putting your work down because they're crapping themselves about their own. The last thing you want to be saying in your viva is that you went down a different route because someone else told you to.

And good luck - the bastards are still there when you get out of postgradland but they're much easier to ignore! :)

NetworkGuy · 25/02/2011 18:33

"I have heard really good things about him from other people who're very impressed with his work"

Do you think they're genuinely impressed with his work, or do you think his self promotion and look how well I'm doing, I've already done this, this and this might 'sway' them into being positive about him, ie reflecting only his self-imposed 'glory' and they aren't really in a position to judge.

You say it yourself, a good deal of this is game-playing and with his track record, it perhaps makes him feel he can 'lord it over you' to some extend, by little put-downs (eg bringing up the 2:1), 'helpful' advice, and so forth.

He is only interested in self, and given a dog eat dog environment then little digs at people might be par for the course, the more he has achieved, the more he perhaps feels he has a right to give such put-downs.

You've your own set of ideas, and can stand your ground against his petty comments. It would have probably been unprofessional of the professor to discuss you in any level of detail and he might have just nodded and made attentive noises while thinking "what is he hiding that he wants to discuss the progress of someone else, not himself".

plupedantic · 25/02/2011 18:35

"I have however emailed the guy and he's not replied yet ..."

Either he's too busy networking to have seen the message, or he doesn't have his next step in play yet. Tossers Serving themSelves can't have normal, human conversations, as those are too quick for calculation! He'd be buggered in AIBU!

NetworkGuy · 25/02/2011 18:37

Have just read LabMonkey's comment "the cocky little shits are usually putting your work down because they're crapping themselves about their own" and can honestly say my post was written without seeing second page of comments, but my last sentence seems to be a parallel thought :)

Pheebe · 25/02/2011 18:39

Littlered - if I was you I would check out the citations, if they're useful email the Prof, thank HIM and ask if he has time to talk to you. BINGO - you've made a connection, will impress the prof (and strooke his ego a bit) Smile

BTW, a 2:1 is a GOOD degree!!!

JaneS · 25/02/2011 19:23

Pheebe, I don't need to check the citations - I know what he's referring to and it's a path I decided not to go down in my research. But thanks. Smile

LabMonkey - good point about the viva. In fact, I could say that to him if I hear back, as it's quite true!

Network - He is genuinely good. He's also a good self-promoter.

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sloggies · 27/02/2011 17:47

This kind of Willy Waving is so tedious...It would be nice not to be pulled into these Male games...just have courage in your own direction, and do not be swayed by SST.
And if its any consolation, two people I was at uni with went on to get Phd's, having got a 2:2...., not a 2:1.

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