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AIBU?

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to think that taking your dog to the supermarket where he barks outside in total misery and stress is really not on?

91 replies

Northernlurker · 23/02/2011 23:46

I've seen this dog twice now at the supermarket, tied up outside. He barks, growls and whimpers continually. He was out there for at least 10 minutes today. I know dogs and this is not an animal just fussing a bit, this is a dog that is scared and anxious. AIBU to think this is cruel?
You wouldn't treat a child or a vulnerable adult like that, you wouldn't subject them to that stress - why is it ok to do that to a dog, an animal which is so dependant on it's relationship with it's owner?

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backwardpossom · 23/02/2011 23:50

YANBU to think it's cruel, but maybe the owner doesn't know that's how the dog is behaving when he/she is inside the supermarket? Poor dog :(

Northernlurker · 23/02/2011 23:51

You could hear him inside. It was pretty desperate tbh.

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FudgeGirl · 23/02/2011 23:52

Totally agree, YANBU

I hate to see a dog left outside a shop.

I couldn't do it to mine for two reasons

  1. the chance she may become distressed (probably not, she'd just sit there looking cute and people would fuss her, but I wouldn't take the risk and have never done so to find out how she'd react)

and 2) I'd be scared to death that someone would take her, as she is so friendly

If I see a dog outside a shop I'll invariably approach it and fuss it - there are two left regularly at our supermarket, one who barks constantly and another who just shakes and looks terrified. Very wrong.

FabbyChic · 23/02/2011 23:53

I really feel sad when I see dogs outside supermarkets, why? I have a dog and I wouldn't do it.

ddubsgirl · 23/02/2011 23:54

i cant see why you would take dog to the supermarket,ours stays at home,my friend had her dog untied few weeks ago down our local co-op lucky her dog ran into the shop,co-op is by 2 main roads,anything could of happend,i wont take our dog down there now unless i have someone else with me too stay outside with him.

Sanesometimes1 · 23/02/2011 23:55

i agree that it really isn't fair on the dog, but perhaps the owner dosn't actually know what it does when left alone ? next time if you feel that you are able to why not wait with the dog till the owner comes out and mention to them that your concerned? if it's a responsible dog owner then they will take on board what your saying, if they arn't then you are perfectly within your rights to let the RSPCA know.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 23/02/2011 23:56

I'd never leave mine outside a supermarket, because yes, they probably would get fed up waiting and bark, and also in case some (fool!) would steal them (or even hurt them Sad)

The other reason is that, no matter how friendly etc they are if you are not there anyone could say the dog nipped/ bit them/ their child. You wouldn't know what happened and wouldn't have a leg to stand on, as you would not have been "in control" of the dog at the time. Some people are strange, not worth the risk, IMO

And not much fun for the dog either, really Sad

ddubsgirl · 23/02/2011 23:57

fudgegirl dont know where you are but has been on news here last week or so about south east having the higest rate of dogs being stolen :( im brighton and my boys and thier friend took our dog down to the park and a couple tried to take buster,i got a call from some man saying he had our dog,rushed down there and the kids had the dog and a little old lady told me a couple had tried to walk off with him and had done it to other dogs too.

ExeterisEasy · 24/02/2011 00:01

YANBU i never leave my dog tied up outside anywhere, if i have to make a trip that involves a shop i leave him home. the one time ive left him tied up was when i had a hem hem digestive issue and had to use a public toilet STAT! it isnt fair on the animal. the most tolerant dog can become upset and/or frustrated with constant unwanted attention without the owner around and so many people dont bother to teach their kids "dont approach a dog without asking owner first".

MrsCuldesac · 24/02/2011 00:24

. . . and then of course, there's the non-dog-owning customers who get put right off going in to a shop where a dog is tied up outside, barking and looking anxious. The poor animals are almost always "parked" right near the entrance with sufficient length of lead to enable them to lurch across the doorway and make other customers feel ill at ease walking past them; given the animals appear upset or excited, it's unnerving to steel onesself to brush past, in case they might snap or jump up.

ExeterisEasy · 24/02/2011 00:28

as a dog owner i dont think it is acceptable to leave your dog tied up outside a supermarket. popping in a shop for a pint of milk maybe but even i dont do that but my dog is my PFB. you cant trust other people and at the end of the day your dog (my dog) is your (my) responsibility.

Vallhala · 24/02/2011 00:48

YANBU. As has been said, dog theft is rife, the fastest growing crime in the country. They're tken for the reward, to keep, to sell on, for a ransom, to breed from, as fighting dogs and as blood bait for fighting dogs. :( Added to that the dog in the OP is clearly unhappy, the owner's a bloody idiot.

Northernlurker · 24/02/2011 08:38

Glad I was not unreasonable then. I feel a bit bad for not saying something but I only had 15 minutes in which to get dd3 from nursery.

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crashingwaves · 24/02/2011 08:45

We live within walking distance (across some meadows) of a supermarket and I sometimes take my dog if I'm just buying a couple of things and tie her up outside. She does 'cry' when I leave her but she always does when anyone leaves. It just makes sense, rather than get the car, DS strapped in and increase our carbon footprint as well as leaving the dog on her own for thirty minutes to give dog and DS some exercise whilst leaving her for a maximum of ten minutes Hmm

She's quite a cutesey dog and usually has a crowd of admirers surrounding her when we come out, anyway! :)

AllTheYoungDoods · 24/02/2011 08:54

Shop owners around here are quite used to me standing with my dog in the doorway and asking for them to pass me a couple of potatoes or a pint of milk as I remember things we need on the way back from dog walks. They can either help, or not get my money!

Vallhala · 24/02/2011 10:11

CRASHINGWAVES AND ANYONE ELSE WHO LEAVES THEIR DOG OUTSIDE A SHOP TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLEASE.

I'm not making it up, dog theft is a very rapidly growing problem - it's heartbreaking for you and can mean torture and death for your dog. I see an awful lot of appeals for help like this one come in on a weekly basis from fellow rescuers and AR supporters. In recent months the number of dogs stolen during break-ins has increased dramatically too, as well as dogs being stolen from their own gardens when left unsupervised, regardless of whether the owner is indoors at the time. Even rescues, including the RSPCA and the Dogs Trust have recently been targetted and have had dogs - mainly lurchers and terriers in their cases - stolen from their kennels overnight.

Today I'm appealling for help in finding a long haired white German Shepherd who was stolen from her own home during a break-in in Camden, London. I'd be grateful if all you dog-lovers would please put the link on you Facebook, Twitter etc and maybe we can get this girl home.

Dog theft is often an opportunist crime and to add to the list I gave last night of "uses" for a stolen dog - for the reward, to keep, to sell on, for a ransom, to breed from, as fighting dogs and as blood bait for fighting dogs - there's one I forgot, which is theft in order to use a dog for coursing or lamping. The Lurcher who has been stolen from outside a shop this week and which linked to above is almost undoubtedly one such dog and I can pretty much guarantee the sector of the community which has taken him too. When and IF such dogs are found they are often in an appalling, abused and neglected state. Do you really think these people are going to give a fuck how they treat your dog?

The best we can hope for is to make a dog "too hot to handle" with huge, huge amounts of publicity. This may bring the theif to miraculously "find" a dog in return for a reward or ransom, it may give the theif the opportunity to claim they bought the dog in innocence from a stranger in the pub and claim from the owner the (excessive) price paid for the dog and fuel for delivery of the dog back, they may be spurred to throw the dog out and if you're lucky someone like me will find him and reunite you (IF you've microchipped him or advertised his loss nationwide)... or having been thrown out he may end up under the wheels of a train or car...

... or you might just never see him again and never know what fate has befallen him.

Sorry, this is a soapbox issue for me and one which many of you ar doubtless sick of hearing me rant about but for me it's also desperately important. It's desperately important to your dog too.

Vallhala · 24/02/2011 10:57

If you want more proof:

Stolen from a garden, abandoned and killed in the dog pound.

Stolen and drowned then returned to the owners :(

[[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F_SBPk_R3asJ:www.thewhippetforum.com/forums/topic/28821-whippets-stolen-

kent/+doglost+gipsy+camp&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.co.uk Stolen Whippets, Lurchers and Greys are a money-spinner even if not worked.]]

and this dog, stolen, beaten so badly he had to be put to sleep. The
forum may be unknown to us but the report comes from SWAP, an animal rights/action group I know well and know also to be accurate and truthful in their reporting.

ImeldaSnowboots · 24/02/2011 11:06

That is awful, I have left my dog tied outside shops (live rurally) but have never been wholly certain about doing so, esp thinking about children going up to her.
I won't do so any more, poor dogs Sad

IHateLivingHere · 24/02/2011 11:07

Crashingwaves You cannot be serious? I would rather strap 6 kids into the car and increase my carbon footprint than leave my dogs outside any shop!

BooyFuckingHoo · 24/02/2011 11:07

YANBU

val has said it all!

AboardtheAxiom · 24/02/2011 11:11

My dog is a right big baby and barks like mad if I leave him tied up (some mornings if I am running late I leave him outside the school playground as I run DS in. I can see him from where I am) but I don't like to do it for lots of reasons. Never leave him outside a shop even though it would be more convenient too as the risks just aren't worth it. If it means going out twice fair enough.

I know he is miserable when he is apart from me so I don't like to put him in that situation if it can be helped.

Also when I was still at home with my mum she left our cocker spaniel outside the corner shop while she grabbed a pint of milk- some boys set off fireworks in close proximity to the dog and in her direction!! Angry Shock Angry Luckily she wasn't hurt but was terrified and was jumpy and nervous from then on. Sad

GypsyMoth · 24/02/2011 11:13

Dear lord! Those poor poor dogs.

Sometimes I hate this world.

ChippingInNeedsCoffee · 24/02/2011 11:16

It's mad to be living in a so-called civilsied society and not be able to leave your dog outside a shop for 5 mintues without worrying about some tit accusing the dog of 'biting' or worse, having them stolen. It's utter utter madness.

I don't have a dog now, but when I did she was my constant companion and I'd frequently leave her outside a shop while I went in for the paper, bread, milk or half a dozen bits at the supermarket - she always had a new 'friend' when I came out and life was good...I was happy, she was happy :)

Fucking fed up of things the way they are now :(

However, thanks to Vallhala's constant reminders/warnings - I'd NEVER leave a dog tied up outside, ever again - it is just not worth the risk - well, not in the UK anyway. I feel that around here the risk would be minimal, BUT I wouldn't ever be able to forgive myself if they were taken

lesley33 · 24/02/2011 11:17

Hi I wouldn't leave a dog tied up outside a supermarker as I would be worried about dog theft. But I wonder if the owner of this dog is choosing the lesser of two evils.

If there is no one else at home the owner may feel it is better to take the dog and be with it most of the time, except for the time it is tied up outside. Rather than alternatively leave it at home for a much longer period to get distressed by itself.

Adog getting distressed being left outside a supermarket may get equally distressed being left at home. If the owner doesn't work, they may be able to be with the dog most of the time, but obviously still has to buy food.

BooyFuckingHoo · 24/02/2011 11:24

i have posted that link to FB val. hope she's found safe and well. Sad