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Long. WWYD? Keep the family peace or stick by principles?

114 replies

sterrryerryoh · 23/02/2011 22:46

Will try to keep this brief.
Had a housewarming party - friends & family invited. My Uncle (Mum's Brother) asked if he could bring along some other family members - his wife's brother, SIL and their kids as they are staying with my uncle and auntie. I kind of know them through various social functions, big party, no probs, so said yes.

Party in full swing. Everyone happy. Two of my friends are gay men - they are great friends but not together. One (let's call him Paddy) is in his 60's and (in his own words) "an outrageous queen" - very camp, overtly gay, flamboyant, wonderful man. My other gay friend (let's call him Phil) is in his early 40's, drop dead gorgeous, not in the closet at all, but also not obviously gay iyswim. I would go so far as to say he's actually quite blokey, to the point that people are often surprised when they realise he's gay

So Paddy has left the room, Phil still there. My auntie's family start making really homophobic jokes about Paddy. won't repeat them here, but very obvious and distasteful. (I wasn't in the room at the time) - i came back in, to hear Phil say to them that he doesn't appreciate their humour, and can they please stop it. They all laugh, and carry on regardless. I am about to say something, when Phil says again that he's not comfortable with the humour and will take it personally if they don't stop it.

one of them then says "Why - you're not an arse-bandit are you?" to which Phil replies "If you're asking if I'm gay, not that it's any of your business, but yes"
(Paddy had entered at this point) - they all start really going for it with the homophobic comments. Long story short: Paddy gets really upset and leaves before it gets too much. Phil gets really angry and leaves before he hits one of them. I try desperately to get my friends to stay, but to no avail.

So, I then asked my auntie's relatives to leave. I was very calm, and matter of fact, but I told them that they were not welcome in my house, that their actions had caused two of my very good friends to feel uncomfortable to the point of leaving, and that, as they were not even invited, that i didn't want them there any more. It all kicked off a bit and they accused me of having no sense of humour!! Hmm and it got a bit verbally heated, so my Uncle stepped in and said that HE and my auntie and cousins would also have to leave, as they were all together, and I said "fine - go then"

They booked taxis and I asked them to wait outside (party was still going on). My uncle said "Us too?" and I replied "No, you can wait inside if you like, but I'm not having them in my house" He then said "They are my guests, and I'm staying with them" and I said "Fine, they're not mine. Go outside then", and they all waited outside for about 20 minutes.
My Uncle has now given my what I can only describe as an ultimatum - if I don't apologise to both his brother in law and their family, AND to him, my auntie and cousins, then I will no longer be a welcome guest at their house.
(Massive family, lots of functions, will have an impact on our family and social life)
I am sticking by my guns and will not apologise to my auntie's family who can stick it. But I don't know whether or not to meet my uncle halfway and concede that maybe I shouldn't have kicked my uncle/auntie/cousins out as well, as they had nothing to do with the scene.

I know it's a WWYD - but WWYD????

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MCos · 24/02/2011 09:01

Same as all the other posters - I think you handled the situation very well. And it is your uncle that needs to do the apologizing, not you.
From reading your post, you didn't kick them out they chose to wait outside. Have they forgotten that? Were they sober enough to remember?

NorthernComfort · 24/02/2011 09:09

Good for you OP, principles all the way. I'd take that BNP cretin off your FB and straight out of your life tbh, you'll never change him and he'll just wind you up every time he posts his vile crap.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 24/02/2011 09:40

Zipzap's email/letter is bang on the money - absolutely perfect - and Sterry, I applaud you for your principles and for your loyalty to your friends. I hope that Phil and Paddy are OK.

PigValentine · 24/02/2011 09:56

My uncle stormed out of my auntie's house (his sister) because she pulled him up on racist comments. He threw a massive strop saying he was an adult and up to him how he spoke - she rightly pointed out it was her house, and she didn't want to have to listen to it. Ours is also a big, sociable family, and what has happened is that he has been the one that has become excluded - as he has been so unpleasant about it and dragged others into it. You were absolutely right to do what you did, and under no circumstances should you be apologising.

MarianneM · 24/02/2011 09:56

I would definitely not apologise but I was left wondering why you didn't kick these people out BEFORE your friends decided to leave? And why you didn't confront them when they were insulting your friends? I feel that your friends are the ones who need an apology here! Isn't this situation about their feelings rather than yours or your uncle's (or him family members')? Were they perhaps left feeling that everyone allowed your uncle's family to carry on, including you?

MarianneM · 24/02/2011 09:58

P.S. You invited gay friends and (close family of) BNP supporters to your party and wonder why it all kicked off?

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 24/02/2011 10:13

Marianne FFS the Op didn't invite the gobby homophobes, her uncle (who has presumably been capable of keeping his homophobic trap shut in company in the past) brought them along pretty much uninvited and the OP had no particular reason to assume that they would be this ill-mannered.

MarianneM · 24/02/2011 10:19

I understood it was the uncle's son (who wasn't there) who was the BNP supporter. So presumably his attitudes have come from his parents?

NorthernComfort · 24/02/2011 10:22

Her Uncle's wife's brother Marianne.

MarianneM · 24/02/2011 10:36

No, his uncle's wife's brother was at the party and attacked OP's friends, but her uncle's son is described here by the OP:

My cousin (this Uncle's son) terrifies me. He wasn't at the party, fortunately, but he's in the army and is a paid up member of the BNP. I have him on facebook - really want to delete him, but I feel a bit "know-your-enemy" about him, as he puts the most sickening comments on his pages - racist, homophobic, sexist bullshit all the time. he quotes hitler, and supports the EDL wholeheartedly. I can't quite believe that he didn't get some of those opinions from his home-life, and I suspect that they all think I'm some wishy-washy liberal tree-hugger as opposed to someone, well, normal!

So my question was, OP knew that her uncle had a son like this, and as she says herself, cannot quite believe that the son's attitudes don't come from home. But she invited him and and his extended family and her "outrageously camp" friends. Sounds like the recipe for disasted that it proved to be.

Bogeyface · 24/02/2011 10:49

I no longer have contact with a branch of my family because of their racism. My uncle kicked up a stink (instigated by his even more racist wife I suspect, who has never had much time for me or my cousins) about a "do" when he realised my BF (now DH) is black. I got "uninvited" in no uncertain terms.

Instead of everyone in my immediate family rolling over and accepting it, as he expected, my mother went MENTAL and my Dad was fuming although he fumes in quieter way! My sister also went mental. Since then I and my sister have not been invited to any more parties or weddings, like you it is a large family with lots of functions, and it means I havent seen most of the family for several years. Mum and Dad have, although I think thats more of a "we should invite X and Y" rather than out of a genuine wish to see mum and dad. Another branch of the family, my cousin and her sister and mother, have decided that they will jump on the bandwagon even though there was no beef between me and them. They are the type that cant keep their nose out of anything and love a good melodrama, and if there isnt one then they will create one! I turned down the only invitation I have received since, from a very nice cousin, because they would all be there and I didnt want her wedding overshadowed by a bad atmosphere.

I am sad that someone I always thought alot of turned out to be like this, I had no idea that he had such views as it had never come up. But I dont regret finding out and cutting them out. My dad I know (its his brother) would like us to make it up, but I will have nothing to do with them even if Uncle did apologise, which is extremely unlikely!

sterrryerryoh · 24/02/2011 10:52

Thanks everyone for your input. I phoned my Uncle this morning to tell him I'm planning on going over to see him this evening to talk to him, and you've all given me lots of strength to sort it out.
Paddy and Phil are both fine. Phil is up for a fight, but will simmer down, and Paddy will get over it. He's 65 and a very camp gay man - he's heard worse, I'm sure!

MarianneM - I understand why you would ask those questions, but my Uncle has never ever behaved in such an anti-social and distasteful way - and also didn't on this occasion. My uncle was at my wedding, as were Phil and Paddy, and everything was fine. As I said, I suspect that my cousin's opinions do have something to do with his home life, but he is 30 and left home a number of years ago, and is an adult with his own mind. I have never had reason to think that my Uncle and his family would ever treat anyone in the way that the extended family did.
I don't know these people all that well, and would not have imagined they could come out with the hate and vitriol that they did - could not imagine that even if they held those views, they would have the brass neck to express them. who could have predicted that?

And as for kicking them out prior to my friends leaving - it was all quite quick to be honest. Phil asked them to stop, and they didn't, I asked them to stop, and they had a pop at me, then they had another go at Paddy and he walked out in tears, followed by Phil. i followed Phil and Paddy out to try and sort things out, but they (understandably), and I went back in and asked the bigots to leave.

And also MarianneM, I am close family of a BNP supporter he's my cousin, and we grew up together - doesn't make me the same!

Rhinestone - interesting fact! Perhaps he's not "paid-up" then. I don't know. Maybe I should find out? I dont' know if I want to pick at that scab though!! :)

OP posts:
sterrryerryoh · 24/02/2011 10:54

"they (understandably)left", that should have said

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MooMooFarm · 24/02/2011 10:55

You have nothing to apologise for and I think you handled it perfectly.

We no longer see some of DH's family because of their horrible bigoted views on homosexuality and many other things. Some things are 'dealbreakers', even with close family, and this issue is definitely one of them IMO.

Rindercella · 24/02/2011 11:01

Good for you Sterry. If you were to go against every grain of goodness and sense of right in your body and apologise, just whose peace would you be ensuring? You sure as hell wouldn't feel at peace about it.

They all sound horrible.

ChaoticAngelofAnarchy · 24/02/2011 11:19

Do not apologise.

They sound vile Angry

MarianneM · 24/02/2011 11:47

Fair points OP.

SoupDragon · 24/02/2011 11:58

Nothing to add. You were absolutely right and justified in what you did and in sticking to yur principles and ZipZap's letter is perfect.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 24/02/2011 12:17

It's all very well knowing that some of your relatives hold nasty views, but if you are generally used to your relative being housetrained enough to shut up in company you are likely to feel safe inviting them to a social function.
There's a difference between holding strong opinions (which everyone has a right to do, not matter how fuckwitted or horrible) and insisting on airing them and abusing other guests at a social event.
If, for example, it had been a case of a distantly-connected militant vegan attending a party and kicking off at another guest for being a sausage-maker, it would be the militant vegan in the wrong for being abusive to a fellow guest in someone else's house.

swallowedAfly · 24/02/2011 12:23

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NunTheWiser · 24/02/2011 12:27

Please don't back down. They were rude, unpleasant and spoiled your lovely party. You have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

stream · 24/02/2011 12:36

Waiting outside in the cold for 20 minutes - I think this is a bit much for elderly relatives or young children, despite the appalling behaviour.

MrsWembley · 24/02/2011 12:48

Haven't had time to read the whole thread but would like to add to the bunch - YANBU, don't apologise, you have done nothing you need to apologise for! Your uncle should have shushed his relatives or told them outright to shut up. They were guests in your house and when asked politely to stop they didn't. So you had every right to stand up for your friends. I am quietly fuming for you and your friends. My DP occasionally makes homophobic comments because he knows it winds me up and boy, do I go for him. So you should feel no remorse that you went for it with people you hardly know!!

sterrryerryoh · 24/02/2011 13:05

stream - my uncle and auntie are both in their 50's and my cousins are in their 20s and 30s. The others are similar ages

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Spenguin · 24/02/2011 13:22

Fucking hell!

I can't believe you have to ask.

DO NOT APOLOGISE.

Kudos to you for not going mental right there and then. I certainly wouldn't have been able to keep my anger and shame in.

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