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AIBU?

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to wonder why my mother does this?

74 replies

Georgepigisacleverdude · 22/02/2011 23:12

I honestly do not know whether my mum IBU or I am. Maybe some families find this familiar?

Growing up, my mum seemed to think that I spent all of my spare time screwing half the men in town. Even if I told Mum I was going to Friend A's, and gave her the phone number, she would never ring, but would accuse me of screwing half the men in town. It makes me feel sick to even think about it, the way I feel I was seen by my mum as having nothing more to offer in any liaison/relationship than sex. Sad

I know my mum felt she had little to offer but sex, from the things she's said over the years, things I don't want to hear really.

Anyway, now I have grown up, and have 2DC. My eldest DS has always been my mums favourite grandchild and she has spoilt him over the years to the point where she undermined me to gain favour with him. Now he is an adult, I have noticed more and more that my mother sometimes asks him things which I feel are inappropriate and she fawns over him. I cant describe it in any other way. If DS is home when she comes round, she will ignore everything I say and focus on him. Makes me feel like the least interesting person on the planet. She seems obsessed with him if I'm truthful. She then fires 1001 questions at him, because she has to know what he's doing at all times, and who he's going out with, and what he's going to wear out blah blah blah.
She cried for weeks when DS refused to move in with her when he went to uni, because she is 4 miles closer to the uni than I am. She kept saying how he had hurt her emotionally so deeply that she couldn't ever forgive him, and talked of how she'd never ask another man to move in with her again because men only ever hurt you. Hmm
She spoke of him as if he were a partner. She rang all his friends, and asked them why he didn't want to be with her.
Anyhow, apart from all of that, which thankfully has died down for the most part now, she asks him what I feel are inappropriate questions, like 'What was your 1st sexual experience like?' DS goes red and mumbles 'dunno' and mum then probes further 'Are you still a virgin, I cant believe you're still a virgin, you must have gone so far with a girl by now, if i were younger I'd butter your toast in the morning' Hmm
When I intervene and usually say something like 'Jeez mum, even I dont ask him that, leave off, he doesn't want to talk about it' Mum just replys that she wants to know. WHY THOUGH

My mum also makes innuendos with me. She'll say 'why didnt you answer the phone earlier, did you have the rugby team round?' or 'In the summer, is it going to be hot and steamy in your house' to which I reply, depends what the temperature is outside.
Mum then says 'do you really not get it?' I say no i dont. I can tell by her voice that she truly thinks I have missed her point, then she spells it out to me in a patronising way.
If she knows a woman is in a relationship with a man and she cant work the realtionship out, if the man is younger, or the man is better paid, she always has to lower the tone to 'i know how she keeps him, she lays on her back, spreads her legs, screws him all day and night'

Make me feels so sick when she says this. Has anyone else got a parent like this? And why are they like this? What is the best way to handle this without falling out with my mum hopefully?
She seems to place so much of a womans worth on what she can do for a man, and yes, I have appallingly low self esteem and i struggle to understand why anyone, male or female would be interested in me as a person.

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HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:40

I think repeating back to her what she's just said, in a horrified tone of voice, would be another way of dealing with it.

"Did you just say that if you were younger, you'd be 'buttering my son's toast'? You mean you'd be having a sexual relationship with your grandson? What the hell is WRONG with you?"

"Did you just say..."

"did you just ask..."

And always ending with "What the hell is WRONG with you?" or "Why are you being sexual to your daughter / grandson"

Really straight, direct, challenge.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:43

x-post. look, your mum's behaviour is abusive, possibly sexually abusive. You need to get her out of your life for that reason and for what you describe in your second post.

You don't need her in your life and look what she's doing to you, ffs.

you feel violated.

You have got to act. Do not continue to be a victim here, accepting this behaviour.

Rhinestone · 22/02/2011 23:43

I agree completely with Hecate

Sorry to lay it on the line here but what your mother is doing is sexually abusing your son - she may not be doing anything physical but she is crossing a boundary that he is making very clear he doesn't want her to cross.

If I were you I'd go no contact immediately and explain to your son that you think he should do the same.

Rhinestone · 22/02/2011 23:45

X-post with Hecate's last two posts!

And I still completely agree with her!

Meow75 · 22/02/2011 23:46

I wonder whether your son is reserved with his responses to her because he doesn't want to tell her to FUCK OFF ASKING ME ABOUT MY PRIVATE LIFE, WILL YOU, AND WHEN YOU'VE FUCKED OFF, FUCK OFF A BIT FUCKING FURTHER!!!

You've clearly brought up a very respectful young man to not explode at your mother - the first time she asks him, she gets a bye because it could be considered to be a badly thought out decision, but the second and successive times she should have got it both barrels from him with you standing right behind him backing him up, or saying it on his behalf.

Talk to your son, and tell him that it'll be okay to tell her she's gone too far in whatever method he feels is most appropriate to him, even if it's walking out of the room without saying a word.

She, your mother, is mental!!!!

dexifehatz · 22/02/2011 23:46

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Georgepigisacleverdude · 22/02/2011 23:49

She defends herself by saying its a joke and i cant take a joke. Sad
Mum used to ask DS's friends for their numbers, i didnt know she'd asked until they mentioned to me that she'd been calling them up. DS does odd jobs for mum sometimes, mum has been divorced for 20 years and DS is happy to help her. Have to add DS is an adult now so he chooses to help her or says he's busy. Mum would ask his friends when they picked up DS from her house. She'd invite them in to wait for DS to finish whatever they were doing and make them cuppa's then ask them there and then. She phoned 2 of his friends at their workplaces, and she also looked through DS facebook and msn when he forgot to sign out when he was over hers. Mum denies this but there is no trust between DS and mum now.
I have ordered 'Families, they fuck you up' online. I hope I will find it helpful.

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ddubsgirl · 22/02/2011 23:49

it sounds like your mum doesnt know any different,she has grown up with abusive parent then partners,sex is the only way she knows how to please a man and thinks this is how you act to all men and all women are an object for a man to as he pleases.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:50

Why? you think parents cannot be sexually inappropriate with their children and or grandchildren?

Crying troll is very unhelpful. You have no way of knowing if a situation is real or not. If someone is genuine, then calling them a troll adds to their upset when they are already dealing with something upsetting.

I would rather waste a few minutes of my time than risk upsetting someone who was feeling bad and vulnerable by calling them a troll when it is actually impossible to know if that is true.

Georgepigisacleverdude · 22/02/2011 23:51

dexi I am not a troll and in fact I have been pondering whether to post for days. I have had to build up alot of courage to share my story.

I am angry that you think i am trolling, for what reason FFS!!!

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Rhinestone · 22/02/2011 23:51

Dexi - not helpful and you have no grounds for crying troll. This kind of thing DOES happen.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:53

She says it's a joke and you can't take a joke?

Fine. If you are not prepared to do the sensible thing and cut ties, then why not say, when she says that you can't take a joke, say "Sexual innuendo to your child / grandchild is not a joke. It is perverted. I will not take it as a joke. It isn't funny. You need to stop it and if you truly see us in a sexual way, you need to stay away from us."

Rhinestone · 22/02/2011 23:53
Grin

Georgepig - ignore troll cryers. Sadly your story is completely believeable.

ddubsgirl · 22/02/2011 23:53

take no notice,dont play in to that persons hands,has your mum ever spoken to anyone about what she went through?GP etc?

BabyDubsEverywhere · 22/02/2011 23:53

Op i think if you read HECTATES first post back, the one you wrote with HE instead of SHE you would have removed this person from your life by now, and certainly wouldnt have allowed them around your children.

I will say it but you wont like it - Your Mother is a pervert and has at least entertained ideas of paedophilia involving you with others and possibly your children with others.

I couldnt allow someone like that in my life let alone around my children. Mother or not, Id rather have no mother!

megapixels · 22/02/2011 23:54

She sounds disturbed. I would keep the DS away from her and stay away too.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:54

Grin rhinestone

berryshake · 22/02/2011 23:54

I agree with everyone else who's saying this is sexual harassment. If you can, maybe have a talk with your son about this, and how you feel it's inappropriate behaviour (from your mum) and what he thinks about it. Just so that he knows he has your support if he's feeling scared/overwhelmed.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 22/02/2011 23:55

A million post before me saying everything - im so slow!

Georgepigisacleverdude · 22/02/2011 23:55

ddubs This is exactly how my mother thinks.
Hecate Please believe you are not wasting your time. I am reassured by your posts and everyone elses.

I feel I have sort of been cheated out of a normal girlhood, make up, dancing, wearing short skirts, doing my hair. Sad

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mmsmum · 22/02/2011 23:55

OP your mum is not the victim, you are and so is your son. Why ask us why when you already knew the answer? You need to treat her like you would treat anyone else who was abusing you and your dc, and that's cut them off.

HecateQueenOfWitches · 22/02/2011 23:58

No, that's fine.

But you know that it is not normal, don't you? and you really have to act.

Your mum, from your description, has always shown a sexual interest in you and is showing one in your son.

Now it may very well be that she has been 'taught' this by the abuse she suffered at the hands of her father, but that is no reason for you to tolerate it. Many abusers were abused themselves. It does not excuse what they go on to do. And she should not be further excused because she is a woman and not a man.

Do not continue to allow this behaviour.

Rhinestone · 23/02/2011 00:01

Georgepig - you have been cheated. But it is absolutely, positively, definitely was NOT anything you did, or could control. You were the child and your mother is an abuser.

However you can control how you act now. Protect your son, protect yourself and cut this evil woman out of your life.

Then go out and buy whatever you want in the way of make up and clothes because normal people will not think of you as a sex object just because you're wearing a pretty top and some lipstick.

So sorry you're going through all this but it's time to cowgirl up and not take it anymore.

Georgepigisacleverdude · 23/02/2011 00:02

It does look disturbing when I think of it as a grandad to his grandaughter. DS doesnt have much to do with Mum now, after the trouble when he wouldn't move in with her and the hacking of his facebook and msn. Sometimes he goes to see her of his own accord. He knows what shes like and usually, its for a lift home when he's short of bus fare.
ddubs Mum has never had counselling as far as I know although I really do think she would benefit from it.

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Rhinestone · 23/02/2011 00:02

Hecate - this is getting a bit weird now!