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Original poster

to say that not everyone on the sex offenders registar are all rapists and paedophiles...

31 replies

tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 22:50

and that after 15 years, appeal is not always a very bad thing.

are they saying all sex ofenders are removed after 15 years. No!!

the right to appeal along with a managable registar of prolific and preditory offenders is required.

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JamieLeeCurtis · 17/02/2011 22:51

I think they should have the right to appeal.

Hulababy · 17/02/2011 22:52

Some peope on the register arenot rapist and are not paedophiles and I do think that some should have their names removed after a certain length of time or have the right to appeal.

I am thinking of someone like a 17y boy who has sex with his 15y girlfriend, for example.

DooinMeCleanin · 17/02/2011 22:53

YANBU. I know of someone who is on the sex offenders register who is niether of those things and I think being on the register for life is too harsh a punishment for his crime.

pinkstinks · 17/02/2011 22:55

is it true you can get put on it for weeing in public? Blush

TattyDevine · 17/02/2011 22:59

Not as a matter of course pinkstinks but if it all went horribly wrong you could. i.e man goes to park, needs wee, toilets closed, goes into bush, has wee, takes his time, gets distracted looking at a rare bird in the tree above starts wandering out holding his willy whilst still bewildered at beauty of rare bird, walks into middle of preschool teddy bear's picnic, all hell breaks loose...

Grin
constantlywrong · 17/02/2011 22:59

YANBU.

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tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 23:03

Im not sure that is true pink, but may well be true.

but certainly I do know of cases of under age sex, vulnerable young people who have made mistakes without understanding consequences.

and apparently some cases of minor sexual harrasement in the work place.

I am not a torry and and can say this is the only reasent measures I see as being sensible. many sex offenders are not followed up and I feel mappa will be much better followed up and managed if prolific offenders where the main focus.

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pinkstinks · 17/02/2011 23:04

hahah! that made me chuckle. I now have a mental image of this! Grin

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tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 23:04

Grin @ tatty

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meditrina · 17/02/2011 23:06

Not everyone who is on the SOR is placed there for life (about a third are not, and there is existing provision for the removal of their names after a set period).

Those who are on for life are individuals who have served custodial sentences for serious offences. This is about two thirds of the register and covers the convicted paedophiles and rapists.

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tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 23:08

so why is this debate at the forefont of the media then Meditrina.

I have a little knowledge but not much and so hadnt realised this was already the case.

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PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 17/02/2011 23:10

the appeal is for people put on it for LIFE

many people convicted of horrible stuff are only on it for 10 years

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tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 23:14

oh ok I understand now. im glad now I strted this thread as it will help me with a course Im about to embark on that I have little understanding of.

I was under the understanding that once place on the sex SOR that it was pretty much permanent.

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meditrina · 17/02/2011 23:16

It became topical because the European Supreme Court made a ruling which said that the UK's currnt laws are incompatible with EU Human Rights standards (and presumably the supremacy of the 1998 HRA - bit hazy on the detail of how these interact), so our law must be changed. The Government was obliged to respond, and the rewinds has cross party support.

DooinMeCleanin · 17/02/2011 23:16

I also thought once you were on it you were on for life.

Would it show up in any CRB checks that you have been on it after you have been removed?

PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 17/02/2011 23:18

i was told

there are lists
and there are lists

so i assume things stay with an offender once off the official 'register'

DooinMeCleanin · 17/02/2011 23:21

See I don't think it's fair for this particular offender to have this follow him around for life or for the case another poster mentioned wherby a 17 yo boy sleeps with his 15yo gf.

PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 17/02/2011 23:22

dooin - unless he were in prison for 30 months or more - IT WOULD NOT

in the case you mention this would not happen

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tomhardyismydh · 17/02/2011 23:23

I understand the ECHR but I had not realised that there where already measures for lesser offences

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RandyRussian · 17/02/2011 23:27

You are right to say that some people who are on there shouldn't be.

Our local paper recently ran a story about a man who pinched a girl's bum. Unfortunately for him she was a wpc and promptly arrested him,took him to the station and had him charged.

He went to court,was fined,got a criminal record and had to sign the sex offenders list.

Thought it was a bit OTT. I mean in some places like Italy for instance it's almost compulsory.

scurryfunge · 17/02/2011 23:30

RandyRussian - it is still a sexual assault. Under what circumstances would it be acceptable to sexually assault someone? (at work or otherwise)

PaulaYatesbiggestfan · 17/02/2011 23:30

randy but that would only be for a suitable length of time after which he would be removed

slightlymad72 · 17/02/2011 23:34

Found this from The Guardian (2006) old I know but explains the length of sentence and time on the register.

"It depends on the offence. Those given a jail sentence of more than 30 months for sexual offending are placed on the register indefinitely. Those imprisoned for between six and 30 months remain on the register for 10 years, or five years if they are under 18. Those sentenced for six months or less are placed on the register for seven years, or three and a half years if under 18. Those cautioned for a sexual offence are put on the register for two years, or one year if under 18."

Basically, if I'm right, serious offenders get a chance to appeal after 15 years.

meditrina · 17/02/2011 23:54

Slightlymad: you are right. It is to be 15 years after release from custody.

Morloth · 18/02/2011 00:00

In what way is it acceptable to pinch a random woman's bum? Sounds like he got what he deserved. Won't do it again.

It is very easy to not go on the sexual offenders registry, you just don't commit sexual offences, most people manage it.

Of course there is a grey area with teenagers, but the current arrangements seem fine.