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To want a refund?? Actually, just tell me what you would do please!

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Threelittleducks · 02/02/2011 14:56

Right, I am very very angry at the moment, so more ragfe might go into this than is necessary, but I am sooo fed up after spending a whole week at home with two under-3's!

I bought a Babyweavers Lynx Tandem from Kiddicare in October to accommodate new baby (born in October) and 2 year old ds.

I had a C-Section so was unable to use pram for about 5 weeks (plus dh at home, so he took ds1 out for walks withou
t pram/ my mum helped out by giving us lifts in the car). Then it snowed for 6 weeks. Then it was ages until the streets around here were walkable on, let alone push a pram on. So, anyway, long story short I have used this pram precisely 6 times. That's six times on flat ground - nowhere adventurous.

I bought from Kiddicare because I had heard about their great customer service. How wrong I was.

I went to view a nursery with my 2 kids in the pram last Thursday. On the way out the door the lady noticed that a bit had fallen off the wheel. I went to pop it back in and a spring popped out. I pushed that back in and a ball bearing came out. I lifted one side of the pram up to have a look and the whole wheel, including part of the axle fell off, with both kids in the pram! Hence lots of scurrying around by me and nice nursery lady to get the kids out of the pram before it tipped (it's a 3 wheeler). I'm pretty lucky that the lady noticed this, as my next course of action was to roll out of the nursery (smooth flat all the way) and then bump down the kerb onto v. busy main road. I'm pretty sure wheel would have fallen off while bumping down, which would have left me in a hairy pickle, or maybe even an accident.
I dread to think.
As it was I had to abandon pram at nursery and get the nursery lady to help me lump home the 2 kids, blankets and bag (luckily it was just along the road!)

So I emailed Kiddicare and told of the problem. I got an email the next day telling me to fill out a form so they could pick it up, asking me to specify a date. I asked for Monday. They never confirmed over the weekend so I phoned them on Monday and spoke to a woman who said that they were sorry, they hadn't been able to book on, would Wednesday suit? I was a wee bit miffed but agreed. I check my inbox; this woman saying that she would arrange it for me over the phone so I didn't have to email and she said she would send it to XXX. I have an email from the woman to XXX saying 'XXX could you book this on for Wed 2nd |Feb please".

To me this clearly looks like she has sent the email to me insead of XXX, so I send a reply to XXX saying 'Think this was meant for you - hope you got it as that's me been stuck in the house without a pram for nearly a week come Wednesday - I wouldn't want it delayed any further!'
I get an email back saying 'Thanks for your email, I'll confirm as soon as this is booked on'.
So I wait.
This morning I get another email. I think it's much waited on confirmation, I open it, it's not. It's an email saying exactly the same as the last!

So I phone them (10p a minute folks!) and the woman (who first tells me the pram has been sent back to the manufacturer - er no, it's in a bloody big box in my hallway collecting dust!) informs me that it's not booked to be picked up today - but would I like it collected at a more convenient time? Er, no!! It was convenient today thanks!

Who did I talk to?
XXX
Oh Ok, XXX will call you.
An hour later, XXX calls, she is 'sorry', the manufacturer have said that they can send a pinwheel out, this will probably solve the problem.
Saves me being without a pushchair (ha ha ha - belter!)
I say no, I would still rather it was collected and looked at properly please, as if it's not pinwheel, then it will still have to be collected anyway.
Ok, she arranges for it to be collected tomorrow!
Might be back at us around Monday/Tuesday, maybe.
(Like I trust them).
Perplexed and angry I give in (I am a pussy and tbh was so angry that I just agreed - didn't know what else to say). Then as soon as I hung phone back up I realised that I was busy tomorrow (docs) and can't wait in from 9-6pm for the thing to be collected (again!!)

And besides, I wanted to put in a complaint. So I phone back and say that I can't wait in tomorrow and want to make a complaint about the way this has been handled. She isn't very nice to me actually, and books me in for Friday (am yet to see if this will transpire - do I trust them? Do I buggery!) I complain and she says 'well we sent you an email on Monday, obviously you didn't get it and that's delayed the whole process'!!! Shock
I was too perplexed to say anything else. ABsolutely dumbfounded that they are trying to blame me now!

SO (sorry, am completely incapable of writing short posts) AIBU to want a refund?
Or at least a better alternative. I just feel like I've been passed from pillar to post, nobody knows what's going on, and nobody gives a monkeys. I paid a lot of money for a pram and have been stranded for the forseeable. WWYD???

I never complain about anything and the red mist has descended - I'm like a dog with a bone once it starts! Rage!!

OP posts:
MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 16:04

Emsyj, i do understand them and like most legal jargon they can be interpreted. but i do know that if this went to court you will have to show that you have given the company a chance to resolve the situation - hence first offer of repair.

If you did not do this then the judge will see you as being unreasonable and claim rejected but of course you will know this as you are a solicitor. Which i am now starting to doubt.

As you can see i do know about law and yet i do not have a law degree.

emsyj · 02/02/2011 16:07

Ok, if you think you know best that's fine with me. Hopefully the OP will take proper real-life advice.

Feel free to doubt I am a solicitor, doesn't worry me!

MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 16:28

I only hope the Op gets this sorted. Suppose there is no dirrence to a bod on the end of a phone to a bod on the end of a key board.

Also do the people at trading standards all have legal degrees? oh no they dont.

MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 16:28

sorry differance

lightlyscrambled · 02/02/2011 16:40

why don't you two just take it outside?!

MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 17:08

damm i have been told off. right im going home Smile

Threelittleducks · 02/02/2011 17:53

Ugh, they are not budging one inch.
They are claiming that it is my failure to reply to them about a spare part which has held up the repair!

Agh!!

I have a stress headache.

SadSadSad

OP posts:
LIZS · 02/02/2011 17:56

I think at this point I'd say that I am now rejecting the goods as unfit for purpose and would appreciate collection and refund asap.

MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 17:58

Who did you speak too? I would make a formal complaint to the management. Give them set time scales (always either 7 days or 14 days).

Now if they fail to repair, replace or refund then you can sue via county court. this is not as scarey as you think. you can use a meadium called Money Claim on Line and is dead straight forward.

If it does get to this stage I will be happy to help and advice on the process.

MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 17:59

If the spare part is the pin then that is unreasonable. You are not an engineer or are qualified to fit or repair the product so therefore there point is mute.

QueenofAllWildThings · 02/02/2011 18:03

moot.

Biscuit
MrSpoc · 02/02/2011 18:04

QueenofAllWildThings - someone got their nickers in a twist. Does it make you feel really big when you can spot mistakes?

Wow I bow down to you oh master

Threelittleducks · 02/02/2011 18:45

Right, just wrote a kick arse email back to them - awaiting reply now.

I really REALLY want my money back now. Phoned Consumer Direct - they were very nice. What a difference it makes when someone is nice on the phone - almost forgot that people could be after today!

OP posts:
FabbyChic · 02/02/2011 18:54

I hope you get this sorted, the pram should last a reasonable amount of time, it has not, even if you had used every day since you got it, which you haven't it still should have lasted.

You are within your rights to ask for a replacement or refund.

Threelittleducks · 02/02/2011 18:56

What do I do if this isn't resolved by Friday and they come to collect the pram? Do I have to let them take it and make the repair??

OP posts:
Threelittleducks · 02/02/2011 19:35

Anyone know??

OP posts:
oggybags · 02/02/2011 22:09

if you purchased it on a credit card you should be covered through them

lightlyscrambled · 03/02/2011 14:10

what did Consumer Direct advise you to do?

I agree with Lisz - unfit for purpose. Personally I would tell them that you have lost faith in the product and that you insist on a refund, and keep telling them.

Do also seek advice from consumer groups/Trading Standards and quote this advice when complaining. From experience the supplier will get fed up of the argument and give you your money back.

Sorry you're having such a hard time with it.

mymoomoo · 04/05/2011 18:34

DO NOT order from Kiddicare. Why do I say this? From my experience over the past couple of days:

  1. You can not cancel your order - even if it is a couple of hours after you have placed it and it has clearly not left the depot. The response they give you is, even though you don't want the item and it hasn't left their warehouse, they will deliver it to you anyway and then ask you to pay for it to be returned!!!
  2. It is very difficult to contact anyone in relation to your order
  • if you email them, you get an automated response stating that you will be replied to within 48 hours, but the answer will be something along the lines of 'sorry we can't help you'
  • if you call them, they are similarly unhelpful. The individual service people are nice enough but they are bound by the inflexible ordering system. It costs 10pence for every minute you are on the phone.
  • last resort - post a message on their 'community board', where again you either get no response or a similarly unhelpful message that redirects you to their email enquiry line.
3) If you live in a communal flat area and the gate is shut, they will not bother to ring you/message you before delivering your package. Instead, even if you are home waiting, you will get an automated text message saying that they failed to deliver your package. Also, they are supposed to leave a card with re-deliver options, but in my case, they didn't leave it! 4) If you call the call centre to complain, they tell you to wait around all day and the delivery man may come back to you - they do not specify a time. In my case, despite waiting all day, the delivery man has not come! So now, they've taken my money but I'm left without a pushchair, without a redeliver option, and have to contact them again to start the delivery/return/cancellation process all over again! It's not worth the £10 saving...go elsewhere!!!
Tweetinat · 04/05/2011 18:40

mymoomoo - if you don't want the pushchair now then just refuse to accept the delivery. Under the Distance Selling Regulations you can simply ask the courier to return to sender as you no longer want the item and it will be returned to them as undelivered. I did this not so long ago with Amazon when all the orders got screwed up with all the snow. They ended up sending me the same item out 3 times and in the end I just wouldn't sign for it and it went back to them.

FabbyChic · 04/05/2011 18:44

Unfortunately you are out of time for a credit card chargeback if you indeed paid that way.

Ask them for a read receipt for the email regarding the spare part as you received no such email, and the onus is on them to prove you did.

Tell them what you did receive was emails for other internal departments which you forwarded on yourself.

Melty · 04/05/2011 19:03

Ducks, read this:
Credit Card Company jointly liable

I imagine the buggy cost more than £100. You should be covered.

FabbyChic · 04/05/2011 19:05

A credit card chargeback in the UK is only permissable up to 90 days some cards allow 120 days in the US there is no time frame.

Melty · 04/05/2011 19:09

Chargeback is different to the Section 75 law though.

BooBooGlass · 04/05/2011 19:10

mymoo, do you intend to bump every thread involving kiddicare? Hmm