to avoid a primary school that has a high proportion of traveller children

[APeePleaseBob]

I live in a catchment area for several primaries so when we were thinking about schools for my DS we started be looking at Ofsted reports for the closest ones.

One of them got a 'good with some outstanding features' report but in the school make-up section it said it had a high number of traveller children in the school. It is near a well-known traveller site so this makes sense.

I have to confess this put me off and I didn't even go to see it. We have since made our selections elsewhere.

I still think about it though - AIBU to be put off? Would you have felt the same?

why do I get the feeling we've been through this ? - just when someone was finally starting to explain something about travellers, we're back to looked after children and black kids again.

I'll get my coat, it's past my bedtime any way. 200 plus posts wasn't bad for a wind up though.

"Its the reason I said to teathersend that she's not wholly accurate but does have a valid point."

What is the reason? Please tell me where I have been inaccurate?

I too am very confused by your posts...

You said:

"The children with the poorest outcomes of all are children in care." (my quote)

They aren't!, its black boys."

My last post was in response to that. You are wrong.

Um...15% is lower that 27%, altinkum.

Are you ok?

Sorry that might of sounded dismissive, but I enjoy it when you get a good, reasoned, discussion which totally befuddles the ignorant posters who were around earlier.

I'm pretty sure it is lower too.

Better check with someone from a more academically likely-to-achieve background than my own...

Yes, DH agrees, 15 is lower than 27.

And no, not the 80s or 90s.

If you group children according to different crtieria, and individual children can be in more than one group, then the group with the poorest educational outcomes is looked after children.

alt, tether is letting you know that if you split children into ethnic/gender groups, black caribbean boys do worst.

However, black caribbean boys still aren't the worst performing as children in care (who are not an ethnic group) do worse than them.

Now can we get back to travellers. and stop quoting each other and start rephrasing fgs. [slaps wrists]

I think we should leave this and maybe if you look at it in the morning, altinkum, it will make more sense.

As for the OP, if this isn't a wind-up , then the only verdict can be YABU, as she didn't bother even looking around the school or doing more research.

end of.

altikum:

Statistically, children in care have the worst outcomes of any group of children.

Black Caribbean boys have the worst outcome of any ethnic group (nationally).

Divide the groups ethnically = black Carribean boys have the worst outcomes.

Divide the groups another way- for example, those in care and those not in care = children in care have the worst outcomes.

The point is that children in care have the worst outcomes of any group. Their outcomes as a group are worse than those of Black Caribbean boys,

Children in care are not an ethnic group. Black Caribbean (boys) are.

altinkum - i think that if grouped into ethnicities then Black males have a poorer outcome than children of white/asian/chinese etc

but of all children the worst outcome will be those in local authority care. Obviously this is because LAc will be of various ethnic backgrounds.

I am confused as to where the confusion lies actually

I'm wondering if this is another journo on mn.

There have been some strange discussions tonight.

altinkum, I said:

Statistically, children in care have the worst outcomes of any group of children.

Look at the statistics- they are there. You just used them in your last post. I too am confused as to why you are confused

it does seem to be a bit right wing tonight doesn't it.

It really does penelope, it really does. I just wondered if some journos were late for deadlines and a bit lazy.
I mean even the feminist section has a religious discussion going on, this and the female boss who discriminates against women.

This is bonkers.

alt - those stats are 2008 for the care one, 2004 for the other.

I really think you should leave that point now, you aren't going to be able to change it. Even the semantics of what Tethers said are right. Look afresh tomorrow, it might make more sense.

Look. I said:

"The children with the poorest outcomes of all are children in care."

You said:

"They aren't!, its black boys."

It was clear at this point, statistics or not.

I said:

Statistically, children in care have the worst outcomes of any group of children.

Black Caribbean boys have the worst outcome of any ethnic group (nationally).

To clear up your inexplicable confusion.