Page 2 | Re- the Coalition: To all Lib-Dems and "Traditional" Labour supporters

notevenamousie · 31/01/2011 06:46

I did vote Lib Dem the last two GEs. I'm not sure, if you have left of centre ideologies/ politics, what's the best thing to do these days. I probably wish I had voted later but I think it's possible that next time all the dissillusioned labour voters will go back to labour, or not vote at all, and the Tories will end up as an outright majority. The Lib Dems often have been so effective as the minority party - how they convert themselves to effective government... I'm not sure.

ccpccp · 31/01/2011 09:26

"Ivanhoe - stop acting as if your opinion is the only right and correct one. How would you have got the country out of the mess it's in?" - 5DollarShake

Dont ask difficult questions 5DollarShake!

ivanhoe just wants to live in a simple world of Labour=good Tories=bad politics. I guess shes too young to remember the last 13 years of Labour and the wonderful job they did on the country.

dawntigga · 31/01/2011 10:17

Did any supporters of "traditional" Labour vote Lib-Dem at the last general election ?

Yes

Do you regret it now ?

Most certainly.

LivesInAConservativeWardAndHadNoChanceOfGettingLabourInTiggaxx

Changing2011 · 31/01/2011 10:20

I voted LibDem because I thought we had to stop the rot - Labour overspent, simple as that. But I couldnt bring myself to vote Tory.

I dont regret it - I think Labour will re-group and come back stonger. Also the cuts had to be made, it was just whoever was left holding the baby at the time who got to do it.

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 12:05

""Changing2011 Mon 31-Jan-11 10:20:48
I voted LibDem because I thought we had to stop the rot - Labour overspent, simple as that. But I couldnt bring myself to vote Tory.

I dont regret it - I think Labour will re-group and come back stonger. Also the cuts had to be made, it was just whoever was left holding the baby at the time who got to do it""

Absolute rubbish.

We have had the "low income tax" free market since the 80's.

What "New" Thatcherite" right wing Labour did was to spend money to help those on the lower end of the social and ecomomic ladder, without increasing income tax.

Now George Osborne is using this built up Deficit as an excuse to take all this funding away.

This is right wing ideoligy at work here and nothing more.

The Tory lead coalItion wont be happy until there are more people unemployed in this country than there ever was under Thatcher, and the reason ?

Because people are easily controlled when they are unemployed, they are easily controlled when they are demoralised.

The right of the Tory party have alwys ruled by fear and ignorance.

The Tories say the private sector will pick up the jobs, this is utter ruubish, because the private by it's very ethos, creates unemployement for profit.

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Changing2011 · 31/01/2011 12:09

Sorry, what side are you on - "Thatcherite" Labour or "right-wint Tory"?

I just dont buy it that the Govt. want people unemployed. Sorry.

And how does the Private sector create unemployment for profit?

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 12:39

""Changing2011 Mon 31-Jan-11 12:09:23
Sorry, what side are you on - "Thatcherite" Labour or "right-wint Tory"?

I just dont buy it that the Govt. want people unemployed. Sorry.

And how does the Private sector create unemployment for profit?""

Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear.

Why do you think Thatcher created over 3 million unemployed in the 80's ?. As tool to lower inflation.

The private sector will have bosses at the top earning huge salaries, while those at the bottom on much lower wages will always have their jobs dictated by profit.

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Changing2011 · 31/01/2011 12:42

Ivanhoe, you dont need to C&P my posts thanks, I remember what I wrote. My mind isnt stuck in the 80's like yours.

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 12:44

""Changing2011 Mon 31-Jan-11 12:42:37
Ivanhoe, you dont need to C&P my posts thanks, I remember what I wrote. My mind isnt stuck in the 80's like yours.""

This is a major problem with the British, short memories.

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Changing2011 · 31/01/2011 12:45

Industry has changed. Politics has changed. Move on.

Your political stance is still unclear as well - I dont get who you are cross with TBH. Are you a LibDem zealot? Do they exist?

ccpccp · 31/01/2011 12:53

Labour overspent on benefits to secure their core vote without having the money to fund it. Tax increases are not what the country wants or it would have been the first thing they did. Most labour politicians are class warriors at the end of the day.

The Coalition is just winding this back so we live within our means again. Every time a forest is sold or someone on disability has to fill out a load of forms to keep getting their money, the blame lies with Labour.

And not some faux-labour-who-are-really-tories bullshit you lot keep blaming for the last 13 years. Just Labour.

MilaMae · 31/01/2011 12:56

"It'll be 100% Tories next time" fell on the floor laughing at that one-who exactly is going to vote for Tory next time,let alone 100% of the electorate?

My dad has voted Tory his whole life,he's pretty disgusted at the stream of cuts aimed at young families which are effecting all his grandchildren and children. He's horrified with the forests,librairies,NHS,uni fees etc,etc,etc. He works in finance and believe me the lack of growth,high inflation aint going down a bundle either.

If all these over zealous cuts are hacking off true blue voters like him the Tories haven't got a hope in hell either at the next election.

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 13:00

""ccpccp Mon 31-Jan-11 12:53:51
Labour overspent on benefits to secure their core vote without having the money to fund it. Tax increases are not what the country wants or it would have been the first thing they did. Most labour politicians are class warriors at the end of the day.

The Coalition is just winding this back so we live within our means again. Every time a forest is sold or someone on disability has to fill out a load of forms to keep getting their money, the blame lies with Labour.

And not some faux-labour-who-are-really-tories bullshit you lot keep blaming for the last 13 years. Just Labour.""

"New" Labour spent this money after they got into power.

And this money was to help the poor.

Cameron is using this deficit as an excuse to continue what Margaret Thatcher started.

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Changing2011 · 31/01/2011 13:01

Why do you keep quoting peoples posts back at them?

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 13:01

""My dad has voted Tory his whole life""

What age is your dad ?

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ccpccp · 31/01/2011 13:04

Austrity governments are never popular MilaMae, but they have 4 years to turn things around and paint a rosey picture in time for the next general election.

LibDems will be demolished though. They sold themselves as a fresh face of politics, but the constraints of coalition put a stop to that within weeks. They went from no-hopers to genuine players in the space of a couple of Nick Clegg TV appearances, and crashed right back down again in about the same short time.

Oh and dont forget the reduction in the number of MPs! That should hobble the inherent Labour advantage quite nicely, as soon as the Labour Lords stop their squeeling :)

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ivanhoe · 31/01/2011 14:08

""Changing2011 Mon 31-Jan-11 13:01:17
Why do you keep quoting peoples posts back at them?""

So they know im respoding to their posting.

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lowercase · 01/02/2011 17:17

ivanhoe talks sense

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 01/02/2011 17:26

I am a labour supporter who has voted Lib Dem for the last 21 years or so, as Labour stand no chance in our seat currently held by Theresa May. In fact the Lib Dems have no chance either - I only vote because it is my civic duty.

However, I think Ed Milliband was the wrong brother to win. However, he will be replaced by his sibling in the end I think.

Not sure Thatcher positively WANTED unemployment. I do think she was hell bent on defeating the miners and unions to get her own back on them and Heath for what happened in the 70s.

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ivanhoe · 01/02/2011 21:31

""amothersplaceisinthewrong Tue 01-Feb-11 17:26:16
I am a labour supporter who has voted Lib Dem for the last 21 years or so, as Labour stand no chance in our seat currently held by Theresa May. In fact the Lib Dems have no chance either - I only vote because it is my civic duty.

However, I think Ed Milliband was the wrong brother to win. However, he will be replaced by his sibling in the end I think.

Not sure Thatcher positively WANTED unemployment. I do think she was hell bent on defeating the miners and unions to get her own back on them and Heath for what happened in the 70s""

I can assure you that the right of any Tory Government sets out to create unemployment as a matter of policy.

This is the way they control the people via fear and ignorance.

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ivanhoe · 01/02/2011 21:33

""lowercase Tue 01-Feb-11 17:17:18
ivanhoe talks sense""

Thanks for your vote of confidence Sir, or Madam.

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ivanhoe · 01/02/2011 21:36

""However, I think Ed Milliband was the wrong brother to win. However, he will be replaced by his sibling in the end I think.""

Why do you think Ed' is the wrong choice to lead Labour ?

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