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...to think that a new washing machine should last more than 3 years?

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Triathlete · 28/01/2011 13:08

I'm flipping livid! We bought a new washing machine - Tricity Bendix AW1201W - in March 2008. It's done its bearings already, 2 years and 10 months later. 3, perhaps 4 washes a week, and the fricking thing has had it.

It was recommended to us as a sort of cut-down Zanussi made by Electrolux to Zanussi standards but with fewer features. We bought it from John Lewis. We didn't take out any extended warranties as we thought "It's a washing machine, it'll last 5 years".

John Lewis have more or less said "Tough - nothing we can do about it". Tricity Bendix ditto. I now need to decide whether to spend next weekend replacing the bearings, or whether to buy a new one.

I'm so fizzing angry! The retailer doesn't give a stuff, the manufacturer doesn't give a stuff, and we've built an economy based on things breaking down and needing to be replaced. And we can't afford it - I was going to get my bad tooth done with that money.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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Triathlete · 26/02/2011 08:17

Their reply to my email and letter:

From: [email protected]
To: Triathlete
Subject: RE: Thank you for your order 8718195 - refund or replacement
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:29:40 +0000

Dear Mr Triathlete

Our reference: 110203-000381

Further to your correspondence with us I would like to apologise for the elongation of your complaint thus far.

I do understand that customers have the right to expect their product to last for six years. When customers contact us within that period, even when products are outside of guarantee, they can reasonably expect John Lewis to assist them by recommending a repair agent.

The warranties we have in place mean that within the stipulated time frame we will endeavour to arrange and pay for repairs up to the point that it is no longer economically viable to do so. At said point we would endeavour to replace or exchange the product for our customer, or where circumstances dictate, an alternative settlement.

Unfortunately as your purchase has fallen outside of this time frame we cannot enact said policy. However if you can provide an independent engineers report stipulating an inherent fault with the appliance at time of purchase we would do everything in our power to rectify the situation.

The onus of this report if outside the initial 6 months is on the consumer, as outlined in the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

Effectively if you can give us a report from an independent engineer saying this product was not fit for purchase, we will of course give a refund of your initial purchase or replace/exchange your product.

If you have any further questions or queries please do not hesitate to contact us on 0330 123 0106 or email [email protected] quoting the above reference number. Our opening hours are 8am-9pm Monday to Friday, 8am-8pm Saturday and 10am-6pm Sunday.

Best regards

XXXXX
Customer Care Manager
John Lewis Technical Support

Such rubbish!
My reply to them:

Dear XXXX

Thanks for your reply.

I am afraid that you are conflating two separate issues. The Sale of Goods Act 1979 specifies that if an item develops a fault within 6 months of purchase, it is assumed to have been faulty at the time of purchase, which constitutes a breach of contract.

This is not what I am saying. I am saying that I have a statutory right, as outlined in the Sale of Goods Act 1979, Part II, section 14 para 2B, that the washing machine should have been fit for the purpose supplied, and sufficiently durable. I expect that an expensive piece of white goods should have lasted longer than 2 years and 10 months with moderate use. This is separate from the length of the warranty, or the 6 month clause above. When warranties say "This does not affect your statutory rights", it is this statutory right that is being referred to.

Now that we've clarified that I am claiming statutory rights, not the enactment of a warranty, can I ask again what action you'll be taking to redress the financial damage?

On a side note, I must say John Lewis are handling this extremely badly. If you'd said "Terribly sorry, here's a credit note for £100 for John Lewis Online" I'd have been delighted and sung John Lewis's praises to everyone. Instead, I'm telling everyone how poor John Lewis is. Seems a pity, really.

Sincerely

Triathlete

Let's see what happens next.

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TurkeyBurgerThing · 26/02/2011 09:13

I'm convinced things break after 5 years. I think they're programmed to do so! Well, with the exception of sky which breaks after 2.

3 is shitty though, I'd be mightily fucked off.

fedupofnamechanging · 26/02/2011 09:26

Not sure if this will help, but Domestic and General do an insurance service for about £60 per year. Initially they will charge about £99 to come out and fix the problem, but you will also get a years cover for that and after the first year it's only about £60.

I have a 3 year old Indesit washer/dryer which has broken about 4 times since I bought it. I had the same shitty attitude that you have been getting from the retailer/manufacturer, so the insurance has been a lifesaver.

Also, my parents have recently bought a twin tub. It is from the only company that still makes them in the UK and although they are more labour intensive, there are not so many parts to go wrong and they come with a proper parts and labour 5 year guarantee. It wasn't cheap but my mum says it washes cleaner than any other machine she's ever had. Worth considering if you do replace this one

Takeresponsibility · 26/02/2011 10:25

As someone said "granny's twin tub probably outlived her", in my case (cos I'm old) my Mum had a twin tub that she was given second hand when she got married, three years later she has me and then my sister so an average family washload of clothes and sheets etc. When I left home at eighteen it was still going strong. She eventually replaced it and like everyone else has had a succesion of front loaders since.

Jellykat · 26/02/2011 17:14

Excellent reply Triathlete!

mousymouse · 26/02/2011 17:21

unfortunately the one that comes with our rental appartment is crap and after 4 years is still working Smile and that with one load every day...

ApocalypseCheeseToastie · 26/02/2011 17:51

Oh my lord my neighbour had a twin tub when we were kids, every Sunday she used to pull it into the yard because of the steam, it must have been about 60 years old, she only replaced it because she got sick of lugging it about.

You can get them in currys iirc

fedupofnamechanging · 26/02/2011 18:52

There's not too much steam on my mums one, but she does have to fill it up with water and stick the hose over the sink to let it drain. It is more labour intensive, but she swears it does a better wash than the succession of front loaders that she had before.

Trinaluce · 26/02/2011 19:16

DON'T go the Domestic and General route! We have the extended warranty through them for our shitty bastard washing machine bought from Comet (shitty bastards). EVERY time the machine goes wrong it takes two weeks for them to come out, look at it and tell us it'll be another two weeks before they can fit xyz part. We only have this machine because it took them 4 months NOT to fix the one before - and then Comet (shitty bastards) wouldn't give us a full refund except on a Comet (shitty bastards) gift card: so we HAD to buy another one with them!

I bought the cheapest one they sold and spent the rest of the money on a Wii Fit. When this one finally gets written off I'll just pay to replace it at Currys or somewhere. I also spend a lot of time telling anyone who'll listen that Comet are a bunch of shitty bastards Grin

fedupofnamechanging · 26/02/2011 20:03

Must admit with D&G, that they are not always the fastest service in the world, but, they are cheaper than forking out for a new machine and will fix yours quicker than it will take you to argue with the retailer/manufacturer.

The problem here is that retailers are getting away with selling poorly made products and the onus is on the customer to take them to court. Who can afford it?

Triathlete · 05/04/2011 21:38

VICTORY!!!!!!

F*CKING YES!!!!!!!!!

VICTORY!!!!!!!

John Lewis have caved in completely!

They phoned me a week ago to say they'd replace the washing machine with a JL model that cost £299. I told them we'd already bought a new one as we need a washing machine. The new one cost £350, so they said THEY'D REFUND THE DIFFERENCE!

They also said that once I started sending registered letters to senior management, they knew it was time to give in.

Good news. Stick up for your rights, folks. Thanks to everyone who has helped and offered encouragement, specially Bootymum and BerylStreep for template letters and consumer direct pointer.

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