to think just because Charlotte Jackson posed for a lad's mag

[ThePosieParker]

...it doesn't make her fair game for sexist remarks by her colleagues?

It says more about the state of the industry that if a woman wants to get ahead in her career she feels she has to be objectified.

I'm getting fed up of people saying that she's presented herself in a sexual way and therefore is fair game for Andy Gray's comments.....

Two wrongs don't make a right... Gray's wrong to make suggestive remarks to a colleague. Jackson might be regretting the reaction her modelling efforts have resulted in. Both paying the price for being in the public eye where everyone has an opinon about your behaviour.... meh...

well, I can see your point but no-one forced her to get her tits out for the lads did they (Haven't seen the pictures so don't know the details). If she is signing up for that objectification I'm not sure she can complain when people do objectify her. You can't have it both ways don't you think?
Sorry, but no sympathy, you play with fire you are going to get burned.

But if she didn't strip off perhaps she wouldn't be in the public eye at all....

I just Googled rather than ask what he said..and came across a youtube clip.

Jesus, he only said 'Charlotte, can you tuck this down here for me love' (meaning his battery pack)...bad taste yes, but something to get all worked up about and scream sexism? Nope!

It seems a bit like the 'If you go out drinking in a short skirt you're asking for it' argument.

Wow MR, great minds etc.

On discussions on the radio and online many people have commented that she posed for a lad's mag and was therefore complicit in the sexism shown toward her.....then they talked about FA chief talking about tighter and shorter kits for female footballers.

I just think it's weird, my DH and I have sex but it doesn't mean I want to be cat called and felt up by men down the road.

I'm with you morningrunner!

She's not done anything illegal & if she want's to do that she is free to no matter how distasteful some people find it. Just because she takes some saucy snaps for a men's magazines doesn't mean she's fair game for a fiddle around an old man's trousers!!!

Gray & co on the other hand, broke their employment contract, broke the law and harassed WOMEN in general, including those who hadn't posed for men's magazines. Women in general were a target for them simply because they were women.

I don't think she's fair game, and it's no excuse for Andy Gray's behaviour, but on the other hand I don't think women choosing to objectify themselves to get ahead are helping the situation at all.

flowery, you can't in most professions though can you? I don't know any judges who have been advised to take their clothes off as a good career move, or any male sports presenter....

No absolutely, and of course it says something disappointing about the industry in question that it's considered a good career move, but that doesn't mean they have to do it.

They could either work in one of the many other industries where nakedness is not seen as a plus, or be content to be a not-so-well-know presenter/journalist rather than one who is splashed all over the papers for flashing her knickers.

I don't think it is the same as the short skirt/asking for it debate although I admit it sounds similar. I suppose it's because she was paid for peddling the age old myth of women 'gagging for' sex from any man and being constantly sexually available. Therefore she should have to defend that position, as for my money she is bringing all women into disrepute by her actions. You can't show everyone your tits for money and then expect them not to mention it when you decide the game has changed.

Why not? My husband sees my breasts and all manner of filth but I wouldn't expect him to speak to me like I was some sort of sex object at dinner.

"If she is signing up for that objectification I'm not sure she can complain when people do objectify her."

If the general public judge her and form an opinion, then no I'd say she can't complain.
If a colleague openly ssexually harrasses her then yes she can.

I don't think Katie Price's photographer would get away with sexual harassment!

yes, but he is your husband, not a stranger! Surely there is a difference between sex with a partner in private and sex with an unknown person in public for money (there is for me).
I am not, by the way, defending sexual harassment at all. Simply that if you choose a career as a sex object you should not complain if people point that out. For example, if I festooned my ward with naked pictures of myself I would be foolish to think that no-one would comment on that, or that my skills as a midwife would be uppermost in their minds as pictures of my knockers flashed before their eyes.

I may be mistaken but If charlotte Jackson the woman in the clip gray was sacked over, I didn't think she was the one that raised the complaint.

Not that that makes a difference. Yes I agree with the point that to say her previous modelling makes her fair game is akin to saying a woman in a mini skirt is asking to be raped.

So if a lap dancer is walking down the street it is ok for men to walk behind her leering and telling her to get her tits out etc ?

Andy GRay was her colleague in a professional environment.

Andy Gray and the very leery Richard Keyes were both in postions of power (being the very senior, long-standing presenters) who abused that power by making smutty comments to a younger female presenter. It was highly unlikely that Charlotte Jackson would have felt able to complain without jeopardising her career at Sky. This argument stands, imo, whether or not she posed for lads' mags.

Her decision to pose in a lads mag doesn't make it acceptable for Andy Gray to behave as he did.

However in a more general sense what we want is a society where it is not normal or acceptable to objectify women. For that reason it's obviously unacceptable for men to behave towards women as Andy Gray did, but it's also not helpful when women themselves normalise it by taking their clothes off to be leered at.

Although many wouldn't (and shouldn't imo) see that as turning herself into 'fair game', it's entirely likely that those of Andy Gray's ilk will think exactly that, thereby worsening the problem.

OMG I nearly jumped out of my skin then! I saw the words Charlotte Jackson and poses for lads mag as i scrolled down and thought it was me (similar name!!)

peers closely at lottiejenkins....

Don't you mean 'leers' Posie?