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In thinking that some five year old girls can actually be quite nasty

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brightlightsandpromises · 26/01/2011 22:00

Please don't flame me - i don't like feeling like this!!

My DD is 5, and she is lovely, can be bossy and spoilt, but she is the most lovely loving and trusting little girl you could ever hope to meet. She does have some very slight, in as much as her teacher and i both think it will fall into place. Its much better than it was. She is having to have some extra help with her reading, but to be honest, i think she is a fab little reader, she is after all only five. Im pleased about the extra reading help if it helps her confidence. She has the best teacher we could ever hope for [lucky]

She is friends with two little girls at school and i am friends with their mums. Both of these mums are extremely competitive, openly and say thay they encourage their children to be so. In the sports day last year they were put out because no prizes were given for the winner and got their DD a medal themselves because she won, i was Hmm but thought, ah well. I am not competitive at all.

My DD was best friends first with one little girl and the third was put in their class this year, we were all glad as us mums are good friends. But just lately i have had to bite my tongue. Lots of little things, my DD getting upset because other girls pointing out that their colouring is so much neater etc. The other day my DD was in tears because the girls were teasing her about her speech. This isn't the first time, they say to her - you didnt say that word right, you can't talk properly, my DD was distraught. I said, oh perhaps X didn't hear you properly, she said, no, i did hear her and she doesn't talk properly, i am right and she is wrong - i was so angry and hurt for my little girl. Other parents said nothing, my DD in tears, i was so angry that i said, oh well X and Y must have cloth in their ears because i heard you and you said it perfectly. She did say this particular word correctly actually so why they were saying it i don't know.

Now today DD come home and said that she doesn't play with X and Y anymore Sad.

I was really pleased that DD had formed qutie a close friendship with these girls and i enjoy the mums company, but i feel i am going to have to step back, as there have been more than one incident where my DD ends up sobbing and its all done quite underhandedly and i have often found myself having to tell my DD off for making a fuss while the other two sit there smirking, but i have to correct DD because she shouts because she gets frustrated.

I want to say something to the mothers but feel too nervous, and i can't make their daughters play with mine, and i know that there are plenty of other lovely children for DD to play with. I feel that it is because of their parents competitiveness that they feel compelled to point out DDs difficulties and i can only see this situtaion getting worse. Ironically, just that very evening before DDs teacher was saying that her speech is never picked up by the other children and no one makes fun of her.

I just couldnt help but thinking some pretty shite things yesterday and they are only little girls but im sorry but they ARE almost bitchy and can be quite spiteful and when its your DD on the end of it i think its difficult to rise above it. I know their mums mumsnet and well,if im identifiable by these details they might actually have a word with their kids and say that not everyone can be the best reader/runner/sodding best at everything. I have even heard one of the girls whispering about me that i am SO FAT! i promise you - im only a size 18FFs, that is so unhealthy for a five year old to have that attitude :( Im happy with my body thanks all the same.

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brightlightsandpromises · 26/01/2011 22:02

sorry - she has slight speech problems, just gets a few words wrong, realise i missed that bit, must have deleted by mistake. That'l teach me to preview!

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TitusOates · 26/01/2011 22:06

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brightlightsandpromises · 26/01/2011 22:08

Yes, thats pretty much what my DP says and i can see it too knowing the mums quite well. They are nice enough but quite into image and possesions, i am so not. Will definately have to chat up some other mums i think. Spent my life thinking i wasn't quite good enough i will NOT accept that for my child.

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iwastooearlytobeayummymummy · 26/01/2011 22:13

Talk to the teacher,not the mums, sounds like the girls need some guidance on how to be more considerate and your DD needs guidance to make other friends,

Joolyjoolyjoo · 26/01/2011 22:14

I agree- they don't really sound like they are "good" friends for your dd, as they aren't making her happy Sad

dd1 had a friend like this in P1- she blew hot and cold, sometimes playing with dd, next day ignoring her. DD was very upset and teary. I encouraged dd to make more friends, and eventually they ended up in a group of six, which took the edge off the other girl's "power"- dd always had someone else to play with. it was such a relief. Dd has been so much more confident and happy since, although she is still friends with the original girl, it is less intense! They do still have their moments, though...

bumpsoon · 26/01/2011 22:14

Hard isnt it ? if your DD doesnt want to play with them anymore ,then great ,she has come to a decision based on the way they have treated her ,and tbh its the right one and a good lesson to learn eraly on in life . Let her choose new friends who are nicer ,perhaps their mummies will be too Smile

TheSugarPlumFairy · 26/01/2011 22:15

little girls can be really quite horrible, especially if they are receiving approval for it from their parents.

My DSD is 7 and we have encountered a few girls that are basically poisonous. Thankfully DSD has realised this and ended the friendships herself before any real damage was done.

There is nothing wrong with being competitive, at wanting to be the best, but you dont have to be nasty about it iyswim. If these women think that teaching their daughters to oneup their peers is the way to succeed in life then they will find they have very lonely children i think.

If i was you i would start making friends with the other parents in your DD's class. Maybe organise some play dates for after school or weekends.

golemmings · 26/01/2011 22:18

From what I remember of primary school, girls are bitchy and 3s don't work. I think it's just the way of the world. Its harsh though. I remember that too. And my mum's exasperation when I changed friends every 5 minutes.

Pumpster · 26/01/2011 22:21

It goes on for years and years with girls, I learnt to stay out of it. Boys are so much easier about friendships!

tougholdbird · 26/01/2011 22:22

It sounds difficult, for both of you, but you need to let her work her friendships out as much as possible for herself. Can you be absolutely sure she is not behaving 'bossy and spoilt' with them when you are not there and that is causing resentment? Might be worth considering.

brightlightsandpromises · 26/01/2011 22:24

bumpsoon, thats the thing, i have tried to encourage DD to play with other children, there is another little girl in the group and DD has been playing with her and i said to her tonight about it, and she said, I dont want to play with her i want to play with X. I did speak to DD about this and say that wasn't kind and how would she feel etc. I have never really tried to push the frienships, i am going to step back from the parents and try and make some other friends.

Ive been there before, my other DD is 20 now and i know how friends change with the weather. Like everyone else though, i just want my DD to be happy. For the past few weeks DD been saying she not liking school :(

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brightlightsandpromises · 26/01/2011 22:27

tougholdbird, i take that onboard and its not impossible, however these other two are equally as bossy and spoilt and their mums would admit to that too. And i also know that i should definately butt out, but its so hard, i just want my dd to be happy. thats the thing, i don't CARE about academic achievement, of course i want her to do her very best but her best is good enough for me.

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manicbmc · 26/01/2011 22:28

I've seen little girls like that when my dd was in reception. At the time you think 'aw they're only 5, they'll grow out of it' but they don't. I see the same girls now, at 16, and they are vicious, shallow little demons.

I'd be very proud of your dd though for having the sense and maturity to move on rather than please these harridans. I hope she finds some better and more pleasant friends very soon Smile

tougholdbird · 26/01/2011 22:32

bright, you sound just like me - I worry far more about friendships than my 5 yr old DD's academic prowess! I find myself asking casually about friends and trying to sound unconcerned at the answers I get. Hope it sorts itself out soon.

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brightlightsandpromises · 27/01/2011 17:38

update Took DD into school this morning who was still grumpy about her friends. I was in foul mood anyway so ready to confront mother/s if i saw them (although probably would have bottled it anyway), when i say confront, i mean casually mention that their children were excluding my child.

She skipped out of school this evening with one of her "spiteful" friends. All best friends again. I asked her she played with she say oh, i played with Y, i said, oh what about X (her "best" friend) oh, i don't want to play with her today - i said, ok, did she play with Z, she said no Z played with someone else. Hmm Grin Rather glad i didnt get to see other mummies this morninig.

Bloody kids, change their friends/minds with the weather - which incidentally is bloody cold!!

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matchbox20 · 27/01/2011 17:47

lol

Kids do change their minds a lot. I try not to get involved with the parents apart from a small chat outside school usually something about the weather ha ha.[bad experiences at pre school!!!]

I let my son [9] pick his own friends and have them over for a play or tea, no real need to have a relationship with the parents, as long as they are polite and seem ok.

elmofan · 27/01/2011 17:51

Grin kids eh !

Seriously though try not to get yourself too involved in kids arguments . They can be drama queens at this age & you will end up with high blood pressure Smile

JamieLeeCurtis · 27/01/2011 17:51

I've got two boys, and boys can be nasty to each other - tease, hit, bully, leave people out.

But what I have noticed is that girls who are meant to be friends with each other seem to be much more prone to criticising each other, commenting on their friends behaviour or clothes

JamieLeeCurtis · 27/01/2011 17:53

... and, incidentally, I don't remember this being an issue when I was a child. Not sure what's going on.

NancyDrewHasaClue · 27/01/2011 18:04

I sympathise with you OP but I really don't think your perception of these girls as "bitchy" is going to do you any favours at all and certainly not if you speak to the mums with that attitude in mind.

They are 5. 5 year old girls can be unkind and fickle and they seem to thrive on exclusive friendships, but to assign adult tendancies (bitchiness) is, I think unhelpful. I think it is also fairly rare that it is not a case of 6 to one half a dozen to another at that age.

As the mother of a girl you are going to have many years of rollercoaster friendships and unkindness at times and I really think, unless you are talking about sustained bullying, you are best off well out of it. Help her with her confidence but let her choose her own friends and find her own way through the complexities of friendships and relationships.

I also totally disagree that if they are commenting on things such as her drawing and speech they are echoing their parents. Children can be unkind. They notice differences and will comment on them. At 5 being the same as everyone else is all. They are perfectly capable of noticing who is best at running/singing/reading, and incidentally who is fat/pretty etc.

NancyDrewHasaClue · 27/01/2011 18:06

OP - just seen your last post. that is exactly why you should never get involved in kids arguments Grin

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