To think no council employee should earn more than the PM FFS?

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She apparently earns more than DC, who has openly shown his displeasure, it said on the politics show including 'packages' her actual annual wage is nearer £300k.

Who decides these people's wages? If the taxpayers (who are effectively paying her 20k a month take-home) aren't happy, and the PM isn't happy, why the fuck does she get paid that amount???

It drives me mad when people imply that if you work in the public sector it should be for the love of the job! Why should this be the case? Doesn't make any sense why (for example) and HR Manager in the council should have any more of a love of their job than an HR Manager in a bank!

As for job security, I work in the public sector and due to the recent cuts there are currently more than 150 at risk of redundancy, with more to come.

Also, if we're comparing it to the PMs 'low wage' you might want to consider the following about poor old low-paid Tony Blair:

"it is Blair's post-PM activities that have made him a serious financial heavyweight, and it has been estimated that he has earned at least £15m since leaving Number 10.

He is a senior advisor at investment bank JP Morgan (salary estimates range between £500,000 and £2.5m) and advises the Swiss insurance firm Zurich Financial Services on climate change issues for a reputed £1m a year, not to mention his consulting role with luxury goods firm LVMH. And he was said to have been paid an estimated £1m for writing a report for the government of Kuwait on the future of the oil-rich state.

Indeed, such is the demand for his advisory services that he has set up a commercial consultancy firm, Tony Blair Associates, which has banked at least £2m advising foreign countries and businesses."

I agree they should be leading br example. I would like to see management in my Council (where I work) take a 5% cut across the board.

But lets not forget who started this. It wasn't Local Government CE's, it was the blardy bankers. And we all now their humble attitude to sharing the pain, don't we?

This is so boring and predictable. Public sector good, private sector bad. Whatever your principles on pay and equality -- hey let's just abandon them because there's something inherently saintly and good about public sector which diminishes the teeny tiny problem of massive wage inequality.

Yeah sure it does.

Toddler, if you are sick of living on a knife edge, go get the other job earning ten thousand more. Someone else will do yours and if appropriately qualified will make just as much difference as you. So there's no difference to quality of service, but you get more money and don't life on a knife edge any more. Hurrah. Win win.

Great advice Apples, thanks.

Because, there the private sector is just SO stable right now isn't it?

The point I was making, and that I belive you are choosing to ignore is NOT that the private sector is 'bad' (see my defense of formula companies if you want proof on that one!), but rather that it isn't a bed of roses in the public sector either.

And I don't WANT to go to the provate sector to earn £10k more. I just don't want people thinking I earn megabucks because I work for the LA.

Well it was you that said "I could go off and get a job in the private sector right now but I stay because I am such a saint want to make a difference." I'm just saying go and do it if it's really comparable to the private sector. Go and do it if it's a competitive/comparable pay/security thing. Which is it you can't or you don't want to? Make your mind up.

I know it's not a bed of roses in the private sector. I know that the mass of people in public sector earn rotten sorts of money and can work awful hours. Every single member of my family works or has worked in the public sector and one works now voluntarily for a public sector decision making body. Ibid my post ooh what several years ago now.

To my great surprise I happen to hold more left wing views than most people on this thread about pay equality in the public sector. To my very great surprise indeed.
The public sector seems to be excluded from the "burn the fat cats" mn mentality.

oh dear

completely undermined by failure of basic computer skills

never mind

good night, good luck in your job

Ohhhh no, you don't get to skulk off after being that rude I'm afraid.

Funny - you have already been arsey on this thread with people who wanted specifics on what 'working with publi funds' means, and yet you seem to have the right to interrogate me about my post? well, i for one have nothing to hide. I am not a sait - I have already said I want to work with people (specifically social care) and that leaves me in the public sector. I could get a (and have had a) BUYING private sector job, but I dn't want to 'buy' pencils, furniture, whatever.

You seem to want to add fuel to the fire of all he Public sector 'perks' myths that fly round, yet you don't want to listen to the fact that it isn't quite like that.

Funny - you have already been arsey on this thread with people who wanted specifics on what 'working with publi funds' means, and yet you seem to have the right to interrogate me about my post?

Excuse me -- I don't have to tell anyone what I do or anything about me. Take me seriously or not, I don't care. And, no, I don't think I have such and such a right. You said you could go off and get a better job. So I said why don't you as you're having such a terrible time.

I wasn't asking what you do. I don't do that, I prize my own anonymity far too much to question any one else's. No details please.

Except to say I respect your work and your job for particular family reasons.

None of that changes my opinion on senior management pay in the public sector. It very much stands.

Where have I said I am having a terrible time? I am making the point that it is not as wonderful as YOU are trying to make out.

It's a job, it has its upsides and downsides. like any other post.

"I'm living on a knife edge"

I'm not trying to make out it's wonderful are you joking?

IF you actually READ the post, that comment was in responce to the everyday myth that you have already referred to that a local government job is a cushy job for life. The worries and pressures about job security that apply to the private sector are very much alive in local government. part if my frustration is that whilst I wouldnt wish that on anyone, many people are glad it os happening to me becasue I am public sector.

As for saying the ppublic sector is wonderful, I cant search your posts as am on my phone, but you have refferred to backscratching, empire buikding, shoe ins, and yes, the old chestnut about job ssecurity.

Why would you WANT to run a local authority for £80k when you could get more in another organisation? And if it was run on £80k, what quality of service would you get?

Altruism is all well and good but it wont pay for our futures, childcare or homes.

None of us are entitled to make judgements on what other people earn. But while we are, the average council worker is in the same position as private sector these days, under-paid, under-stress and under-fire.

Fairtrade - good point. you could offer me 500K tomorrow and I STILL wouldnt want to be CE of my LA. Noooooo thank you!

"because there's something inherently saintly and good about public sector which diminishes the teeny tiny problem of massive wage inequality."

The point is that wage inequality simply isn't as much of an issue in the public as the private sector. The OP is about one of the best paid CEXs and she's only on £200k. Bankers can get that as a bonus. Top paid private sector CEOs earn in 7 figures. There is no point in focusing a debate about wage inequality on the public sector when the huge wage disparities in this country are generated by the private sector. Which mean that criticising public sector pay is basically bashing the public sector, not tackling wage inequality.

Very good post

Totally agree Mainly.