to think that DC should know the difference between a midwife and a nurse?

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I'm .

Just heard DC on BBC news mentioning the 'maternity nurses' who delivered his newest daughter, Florence.

If he's f around with the NHS he should bloody well know what he's bleating on about!

Grrrrr

Your Darling child was on the BBC news?

David Cameron

don't. get. me. started.

Midwives are nursing trained, is that not right? Then they go on to do MW qualifications? That's what I thought anyway.

I think tbh, there are worse things to get annoyed at David Cameron about though...

Wasn't Florence born abroad? I can't remember, but that rings a bell. Maybe they were maternity nurses, either way I doubt his child was delivered by the NHS.

Midwives do a different course than nurses.
Though some nurses do go on to do midwifery.

Maternity nurses are completely different creatures to Midwives though!

No, actually you can do either, that is train as a general nurse and then do your MW (3 years general training then 18 mths MW training) training or do direct entry to MW (3 years in total)

I have OPINIONS about each way of training but will keep them for the next bun fight on the Nurse vs Midwife boards elsewhere.

david cameron, for example, is a nobber. child was born in cornwall (hence the mane_).

Lasttime i looked Cornwall was part of the UK and the NHS.

WTF is a 'maternity nurse'? isn't That claire byrom cowbag one?

Midwives can either be direct entry (3 year degree course) or post-grad registered nurse with extra midwife qualification.

A midwife is a completely separate profession to nursing.

This man is supposed to be in charge of reforming the NHS.

God Help Us All.

mane? chld is not a lion and has a name

We weren't there, it is possible it was maternity nurses. I've heard many stories of quick babies who were caught by the closest attendants at hand. My second was very quick, I caught her before anyone arrived. Also, as the baby born so early, it's possible it was OBs and maternity nurses in there rather than midwives.

His baby was born by C-section. Fabulous though midwives are, they don't normally do operations

Maternity nurses don't typically deliver babies and aren't usually employed on the NHS!!!! Ob/gyn nurses, labour nurses, whatever you call a nurse who isn't a midwife but attends a birth it ain't a maternity nurse!

Is it possible he made a slip of the tongue and meant the nurses who assisted? As in theatre nurses? I think Florence was a CS.

but they are normally there.

Atyourcervix -interested in your perspective :

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A midwife is a completely separate profession to nursing.'

Can I ask why you think that? and do you think experienced nurses who have then gone on to do their midwifery training share your perspective ? Do they leave all of their nursing skills and experience at the door?

A maternity nurse is a completely separate occupation to hospitals btw. IMO they shouldn't be called nurses full stop but their title derives from the sense nurse as in nanny/wet nurse so is technically etymologically accurate, although the NMC would probably love to see it banned.

GF is an example of an MN.

it is very different in the way it is monitored and supervised and percieved by those who are nurses or midwives or nurses and midwives.

my (very experienced) nursing skills come in very very handy but like kittakatta that is a whole new thread.

In the UK, the NHS employs midwives not maternity nurses, some may employ theatre nurses, others have midwives in theatre. The majority of ante/intra and post partum care is provided by midwives.

It is a big deal if you intend reforming the NHS that you actually know what the role is and who does what

Well, if she had a c-section, the baby wasn't delivered by a midwife either was she - she was delivered by a surgeon. I suspect he's just trying to thank/be nice about the nurses who attended and cared for his wife and child afterwards.

I wouldn't have the foggiest what the job title of the people who looked after me after my c-sections were. One of them saved DD's life it doesn't make me any less grateful!

I'm a nurse and sometimes assist in sections (scrub nurse) and midwives and nurses work as a team but definitely two different professions.

Agree with others, it IS important for the pm to know who does what in the NHS IF HE plans to reform it. Maternity nurses aren't nurses at all they don't have medical training, they are nannies if you like they are emplyed by parent help with childcare of a baby they do not work in NHS hospitals.

She was born at the Royal Cornwall. Probably by a Registrar unless she was high risk.

He may have meant midwife, he may have meant a nurse that was present. Its a bit of a faux pas but it is possible he was focussing on the safe delivery of his daughter, not jotting down notes of what colour tabard means what.

gasp!
was all ready to come on here and muse over at what age children should learn the difference between a nurse and a midwife, was going to suggest about 4 or 5 yrs old..

you are talking about the prime minister (faints)

I am a student mw. All respect to nurses, but we are NOT nurses.

agree this is not the worst thing he has said or done, and he will doubtless go on to do and say a lot worse, but this just provides more evidence, as if it were needed of his lack of understanding and knowledge.

I couldn't care less tbh

does it matter??!