in thinking the dna database should not be removed

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i prefer the police having a massive dna database don't you?

"say each DNA profile is "one in a million". With a population of 60 million, you'd expect 60 people in the country to match a given profile. (Don't know actual probability, but this is how you have to calculate.)"

I've heard expert testimony to the effect that it is actually far more likely than 1 in a million (sorry can't recall the numbers case was ages ago) due to the partial nature of most dna samples retrieved from crime scenes.

MrsRuffallo, you didn't read the question. Here it is again:

So MrsRuffallo, you agree that only people convicted of crimes should be on the database, not people eliminated from enquiries, found not guilty or not even charged?

Because as silverfrog says, currently all of those people are on the database. The youngest was a baby.

And what makes you think that situation will always be the same, mrsruffallo? We are already far less 'free' than we were twenty years ago.

i'd rather have less rapists and killers on the streets, thanks very much

i have no problem what so ever giving police my dna

only downside i can see is that the police could become a bit lazy.

get everyones dna on tha database i say

as for worring about store loyailty cards ffs who do you think you are ? some sore of international spy
lol
do you only pay in cash, use a full names and wear a disguse too


lol

DNA contains information about your health and your background.
We cannot see into the future and we cannot tell what kind of government we will have so walking blindly into a situation where everyone/part of the population is on a database like this is ridiculous.
What I can see is that there will potentially be the problem of the database being sold to health insurance companies who will look for gene markers to deny people insurance and therefore healthcare (assuming they do privitise the NHS eventually). You can even see the NHS doing this - if you are prone to being overweight/getting skin cancer/osteoporosis you could be denied care if you fail to take action yourself.
The other is that the government uses the DNA database to segregate sections of society. Hitler would have loved this technology.
With DNA you either do everyone or no-one. If you do everyone then we have to have some pretty watertight rules around you can do with the information.

The Nazis used some very useful IBM data handling systems and found them very useful. They'd have loved a DNA base. No hiding your Jewish ID if they had your DNA.

use a false name, i mean

perhaps you also don't have a mobile incase the police could track where you have been?

So WHATSMYNAME, when are you going along? Today?

I am more than happy for my DNA or fingerprints or anything else to be kept on record. I also would have no problem with these records being taken at birth. Maybe I am odd. I also like cctv cameras. It all makes me feel safer and surely murders and rapes would be solved much more easily and therefore would be commited less - as everyone would know they could be caught. Or am I just naive ... ?

I don't know if I would agree that we are far less free actually. We are a less racist/homophobic/sexist society now than twenty years ago. Police brutality is less acceptable. Schools have improved and child abuse is discussed and brought to court more than twenty years ago.

A dictaorship would insist on holding everyone's dna, that isn't happening here.
I don't have time to find out why a baby is on the dna database (will google when I have a less busy day) but I doubt it is as sinister as you are suggesting.

Scientists can tell an awful lot from your DNA, perhaps if you have a gene that would give you a higher probability of having a baby with a disability, they could make it socially acceptable to sterilize you?

After all, there are too many of us at the min, and who needs that drain on resources?

Judging by what I've read on here, there really are some wankers who believe this shit.

"But we are not living under a dictatorship. We are secure in our civil liberties"

Control orders, children in detention centres, "kettling" of people making a legal protest, complicity in torture and "extraordinary rendition", "Mosquito" device to stop young people congregating, 28 day detention without charge.....

I think it is an excellent idea and it would be very foolish not to use the technology available.

I think everyone who is in or enters this country should be on the data base.

Imagine someone you love was raped and murdered, would you still feel the same.

There would be a far higher level of capture and conviction of criminals with this data base.

"A dictaorship would insist on holding everyone's dna, that isn't happening here." - yet - let us keep it that way and don't give dna freely and insist of it beeing deleted from the database if you have it on it already. it is your right

I do find your opinion naive and odd motheroftwo.

It's like you believe everything you're told by those in authority.

"Imagine someone you love was raped and murdered, would you still feel the same." then solid police work would be better, imo

i'll go next time i have the car sometime in the next 2 weeks

And I don't think people who have had violent crimes committed against them or their families should be able to set the law anna.

This should be an objective decision, and not an emotive one.

Everyone is making much better points than my 'they could frame you!' thing. Feel a bit of a tit now

yes there should be more cctv, in rural areas not just towns

"I don't have time to find out why a baby is on the dna database (will google when I have a less busy day) but I doubt it is as sinister as you are suggesting."

Er, follow the link in my first post? Answer the rest of the question?

Or is it comfy where you are? Doesn't the sand kinda trickle into your nose, tho...

Hey OP, and while they're installing the cctv, perhaps they could put some microphones and speakers into them so a faceless voice can shout at the plebs walking past?

Oh no, wait, they're already doing that.

I think it's very sweet that some people are still so blithely confident about the benevolent nature of the state, now and in the future.

It sounds extreme, but if the law become very restrictive and the state becomes too over-bearing, I want to be able to break the law and then not immediately be picked up on the basis of any DNA I might leave at the crime scene. By 'break the law' I mean 'engage in acts of public protest'. Also, I want my children to be able to make these decisions for themselves. If I volunteer my DNA, I volunteer half of theirs. The DNA database has been used to find the relatives of people on the database.

It would be foolish to have this technology and not use it. It means a lot of terrible crimes would be solved quickly and efficient, without further victims losing their lives whilst the police are searching for the perpetrator.
I certainly don't believe everything I am told, but if the technology is availiable that could literally save lives, I don't see the point in not using it.