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To not know abortion is still illegal in Northern Ireland...

92 replies

sevendwarves · 14/01/2011 15:47

unless the pregnant woman's life is in danger?

Am I just being ignorant? I know they're Catholic but come on, it's 2011, I assumed it was legal but frowned upon!

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sighnomore · 14/01/2011 22:51

Thanks thefurryone I'm from here and did not know they had lowered the age of consent to 16- they kept that one quiet!
I honestly cannot see te abortion laws changing here any time soon at all.

kepler10b · 14/01/2011 23:02

so what passport do people in northern ireland have then - is it not the same as people from england, scotland and wales? is the uk not a "country" and isn't ni part of it??

how come susan boyle (ireland) got to enter britain's got talent? (sorry that was a joke, i don't really take my geography lessons from reality tv shows).

fedupofnamechanging · 14/01/2011 23:17

Thought she was from Scotland. Might be wrong though - I am not a fan

JeelyPiece · 14/01/2011 23:19

She is from Scotland, West Lothian in fact. Lots of geography issues on this thread!

I am always astounded all over again whenever I am reminded that abortion is not legal in NI and ROI.

eddiemccready · 14/01/2011 23:28

Kepler- people in northern ireland can have a choice of which passport they want, british or irish, dual citizenship.

UntitledNo2 · 14/01/2011 23:31

BuzzLightBeer 'The women of northern ireland have about the same number of abortions to scale as the women of Britan. The women of Ireland have only slightly less. What they do have though is later, costlier, harder and more traumatic abortions. Its not really about stopping women getting them anymore, its about punishing them by making it as difficult as possible'

Absolutely. I could not agree more with this statement. I (as a woman living in the ROI) know several women who have had abortions. As you said, it is much more difficult, traumatic, and indeed costly. Having an abortion is traumatic enough, never mind having to travel to another country, to a city where you most likely do not know anyone/have no support system. It exacerbates the pain and trauma of having an abortion, and serves only to isolate women/prevent them from seeking advice, as it is so stigmatised here.

I am not for one second implying that most Irish people are extreme Pro-Lifers, but the generally held 'public' view is that abortion is wrong (am trying to explain this as best as I can, essentially, what I mean is that although many Irish people are pro-choice, it is still not discussed publicly/most women I know who have had abortions would not discuss it with anyone outside of their immediate family/friend circle for fear of condemnation). One has only to witness the 'Youth Defence' crews on Grafton/Henry/O'Connell Streets, and their aggressive tactics to really see this.

Apologies - went off on a complete tangent there. As an Irish citizen, I am very passionate (perhaps soapbox-y, for which I do not apologise)with regards to the rights of Irish women to have access to abortion. I am actively involved in campaigning for this.

DioneTheDiabolist · 14/01/2011 23:33

In my younger days I worked round the corner from the Brook Advisory clinicin Belfast, where the anti-abortionists would hang out and abuse and scare the girls going in there. It was disgusting. As is the fact that despite being a UK citizen I have fewer rights than women in Britain.

As in all such cases, it is the poor here who suffer from this law. It's not just misogynistic, it's injust. It sums up our political class. Bunch of money grabbing, cowardly hypocrites. They can bang on as much as they want about equality, but none are willing to risk losing their money and power because they know the churches will unite to oppose them and may actually win.

Rannaldini · 15/01/2011 00:15

seems really weird and tragic that most of the population have no understanding of Northern Ireland.
I know a massive amount of GB history ditto Irish history.

How can it be that people know so little?

I'm not talking about abortion or age of consent issues as those anomolies are too strange to explain. Rather the lack of fundamental or even rudimentary understanding of Ireland.
How can that be??

ISNT · 15/01/2011 10:20

Which things are you referring to Rannaldini?

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 15/01/2011 11:35

It doesn't surprise me at all that the mainland folks don't know much about NI.

Firstly, it's a very human instinct to know most about your local area, and lose interest as distance increases.

Secondly, Irish/NI history is somewhat convoluted and rather depressing. Oh, also England doesn't come up smelling of roses in the whole situation!

As ex-NI, now living in England, I am used to the fact that no-one will have a clue whether I'm Irish or British, do I need a passport to get into the country, etc. I just explain. Repeatedly.

iskra · 15/01/2011 14:36

This isn't an excuse, but the history/politics isn't covered at all in secondary schools (at least myself & my brothers didn't cover it at school in the 90s). Those closest we got was reading "Across the Barricades" by Joan Lingard.

swanandduck · 15/01/2011 14:46

Actually, the people of Ireland voted by a majority to close off a loophole which could have made abortion legal. It's a republic and they have a constitution and the majority of people decided on this. And no, everyone living in Ireland isn't backward, a priest, and so on.

Metherbumfit · 15/01/2011 15:42

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hogsback · 15/01/2011 18:24

iskra - it is shocking that it's not taught in schools isn't it. No American schoolkid would not study the Civil War, yet we don't think it's important to teach children about a war that tore the United Kingdom apart less than a century ago and has had huge repercussions right up until the present day.

iskra · 15/01/2011 19:20

hogsback - i agree. i realised after posting that pretty much all of my (limited) knowledge about northern ireland comes from reading joan lingard & linda newberry young adult books.

sighnomore · 17/01/2011 10:33

Interestingly There is a documentary on BBC northern Ireland about this tomorrow night following 2 womens campaigns on either side of the Debate. Must watch, might be on I player afterwards for those who don't receive ni region? Not sure

swanandduck · 17/01/2011 12:48

Metherbumfit

I was answering Buzzlightbeer's post where she talked about the women of the Republic of Ireland

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