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Teacher showing photos of dead people! Surely this is a bit too much!?

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Memoo · 12/01/2011 15:39

Ds is in year 5 and in geography the class has been learning about tsunamis and other natural disasters. The teacher showed them a video and some photos but two of the photos were of dead people. From the way DS described it to me it sounds as if the photos were close ups. Am I being a bit over sensitive or is this is bit off? I don?t want to wrap ds in cotton wool but I think showing 9 and 10 year olds photos of dead bodies is a step too far.

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ScotlandR · 12/01/2011 16:10

I'm sorry OP, but you are missing the point. He SHOULD be upset about it... Thousands of people died because Americans CBA to stop driving everywhere!!! THAT IS UPSETTING!

I know it's a bit more complicated than that, but the fact is that people have an effect on the world. The sooner he realises that sometimes that effect is harmful and upsetting, the better IMHO.

I know people who work for the red cross, who are deployed to Haiti or to Vietnam or Australia or wherever there's an emergency who say "I saw photos of Ethiopia or Mozambique or wherever when I was a child and it made me want to spend the rest of my life helping".

Be glad he was upset - I'd be upset if he wasn't bothered.

ILoveItWhenYouCallMeBoo · 12/01/2011 16:12

"Thousands of people died because Americans CBA to stop driving everywhere!!! THAT IS UPSETTING!"

erm, just americans?

AnyFucker · 12/01/2011 16:13

I agree with ScotlandR (I have always wanted to say that...)

and hobnob

yes, imagine if those images didn't have an effect on him

Blu · 12/01/2011 16:29

How are Americans driving, or doing anything else, responsible for earthquakes?
(the tsunami was caused by an earthquake)

Rhinestone · 12/01/2011 16:34

ScotlandR - please could you explain how car usage caused an earthquake under the Pacific Ocean?

You are either a fucking genius who has discovered a previously unknown theory of tectonic plate subduction caused by harsh braking....or alternatively you're an idiot!

ChickensAreFlyingUnderTheRadar · 12/01/2011 16:37

Arf at tectonic plate subducation caused by harsh braking Grin

scurryfunge · 12/01/2011 16:37

Don't be daft, everyone knows a fat person jumping into their car near the San Andreas fault causes earthquakes on the other side of the world.Grin

AnyFucker · 12/01/2011 16:39

actually, it was the last line of Scots post I agree with

I know nothing about fat Americans braking their cars too hard and causing tsunamis Grin

sarahitaly · 12/01/2011 16:39

I think that is something that has to be shown or not shown based on an intimate understanding of an individual child in order to accurately predict their reactions and the ability to follow up if some are left bewildered, scared, or unduly worried about the risk of people they love dying next time the family goes for a paddle.

That might be a bit hard to achieve with a whole classful.

My son saw his grandfather laid out right before the funeral. He was Okish about it. On the other hand he utterly freaked out recently at the not very close sight of a (non mangled) dead kitten at the side of the road. I dealt with both in a manner that was adapted to a little boy I know really, really well, with a full time availability day and night (especially at night where dead kittens are concerned). I think in part what coloured the difference in his reactions was the level of preparation he had, he know his grandfather had died, he know he could come and see him to say goodbye. Whereas the kitten came from nowhere and his previously happy state left his wide open for shock and being very, very upset. I'm kind of leaning towards images of death in a classroom having too much potential to fall into the catagory of the latter.

They are only five, I'm not sure what the rush is (certainly in an educational context) to show them that our hold on life is not secure, within our control, or something we can count on.

I'd guess that for the majority the concepts involved would go right over their heads, so what did showing the images hope to achieve ? For a minority, be it due to insecurities, recent losses in their family, being a bit afraid of the sea already, it could have risked setting of some upset.

Out of sheer curiosity I'd love to know what the original teaching point was that led to the choice in the first place.

Rhinestone · 12/01/2011 16:40

AF - relieved at your clarification, I've always considered you eminently sensible!

Come on ScotlandR - enlighten us!

sarahitaly · 12/01/2011 16:43

Oh, year 5, not aged 5.

How old is year five ?

Hullygully · 12/01/2011 16:43

What about the live people?

No one cares about them.

AnyFucker · 12/01/2011 16:44

thanks rhine, I did read the first bit and go Hmm

but then forgot when I saw that she later said "you should be upset if he isn't bothered"

I thought that was a very good point (am going down the "too many kids get desensitised to death and violence from playing violent computer games" route now)

AnyFucker · 12/01/2011 16:45

yr 5 is age 9-10

mutznutz · 12/01/2011 16:45

Age 9-10 is year 5

AnyFucker · 12/01/2011 16:46

no, yr 5 is age 9-10 Wink

EdnaTheInebriateWoman · 12/01/2011 16:48

When i was 9 our school priest died. Being the good catholic school that it was they laid him out in state in the church and we all had to line up and touch his hand to absolve us of our sins.

That was scarey shit!!!

mutznutz · 12/01/2011 16:48

Lmao! I think it's my Irish parentage that makes me speak/type like that sometimes...despite the fact I'm a Cockney!

EdnaTheInebriateWoman · 12/01/2011 16:49

But my DSs are 10 and 8 and i think it is a reasonable age to see appropriate devastating photos of the disaster.

Littlefish · 12/01/2011 16:51

As long as it was handled sensitively at the time, then I think this is ok.

I think it's important that children are made gently aware of the world around them, and the disasters - both man made and natural, are part of this.

ScotlandR · 12/01/2011 16:52

Some people never seem to have heard of global warming, which is worrying Hmm

America is the largest producer of CO2 emissions and have repeatedly failed to honour their pledges to cut emissions - or they just outsource their emission-causing industries to other countries.

Emissions of CO2 which dissolve the ozone layer, causing an increase in temperature and a decline in atmosphere quality (less oxygen in the atmosphere, more shite in the atmosphere) and listen now, this is the important bit, irregularities in atmospheric pressure.

Fucked up atmospheric pressures, mixed with rising temperatures increase the danger of and likelihood of ' severe weather events'; hurricanes, tidal waves, floods, tsunamis.

Now we've gotten the science lesson out of the way, let us go back to the point - children should be interested in the world and the people in it, and should be bothered about people dying horribly.

Rhinestone · 12/01/2011 16:53

OP - sorry your DS is upset. I agree with other posters that seeing dead bodies shouldn't be taboo - but I think it's your call as the parent, NOT the school's. I would be very angry too.

Rhinestone · 12/01/2011 16:56

x post Scot - a tsunami is not a weather event. It is caused by an earthquake which have been happening since forever.

So maybe lose the patronising tone as you're not half as clever as you seem to think you are.

expatinscotland · 12/01/2011 16:57

'America is the largest producer of CO2 emissions and have repeatedly failed to honour their pledges to cut emissions - or they just outsource their emission-causing industries to other countries.'

It's actually China now, you nugget. Has been for a while, too. Since 2007 at least.

here

Some scientists also believe that global warming is caused by sun spots.

There is no definitive proof that it is caused by CO2 emissions.

Laquitar · 12/01/2011 16:57

Do some of you question your dcs about everything their teachers ever say trying to find faults?

And why our children should never see or hear anything upsetting, never ever? Our job is to take the opportunity and talk to dcs about upsetting stuff, about feelings and emotions etc. Not banning everybody from ever mentioning anything 'upsetting'.

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