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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to be anxious about my ex visiting, or are my reasons just silly? (long one, sorry!)

23 replies

LifeIsButtercream · 27/12/2010 14:36

Ok, back story, almost 2 months ago I moved 350miles away from my ex with my then-18-month-old daughter.

He hasn't visited us yet - but is coming to stay (in our house) for a week, next week. I can handle having him here, I'm in my own home (not a shared space) so I feel like I can be strong in the face of the controlling, blackmailing behaviour that caused me to leave in the first place, my worries lie with my daughter.

To start with, she knows who her daddy is (as much as a child of this age can), we have 'video calls' on the laptops (whenever he asks for one, roughly once every 10 days) we have pictures up in the house of him, and them together, I talk with her about Daddy coming, and things she used to do with Daddy, she is receptive and recognises him in pictures/on screen.

The problem lies with her developmental stage and behaviour, since we've been here she had developed so much, she has started walking (late walker), and become much more boisterous, active, inquisitive and challenging - which I love, but her behaviour needs more management than it used to when he used to look after her - she now has tantrums occasionally, can willfully misbehave, and does need to be told 'no' and have boundaries reinforced - not in a sadistic way but so she feels secure.

Ex-H plays with DD in a very certain way, even when she was 18m he would play with her as if she was 7m old - he'd lie on the floor, with her sitting, and wave toys in her face, he treated her like a baby, and when she isn't being 'cute' or playing how he wants to, he loses interest, slinks off to watch tv. This will sound like me being very mean, but this is what I've witnessed - he treats her like a toy - to be played with when wanted but left when not.

He is a very 'horizontal' person, (lies on the sofa/floor etc when awake), doesnt do running around or active things, doesn't do messy play/paint/playdough etc, wants her to play in a very contained way (i.e. in front of him on the floor, with small books and rattle type toys) - she would just about tolerate this a few months ago, but now she is so much more 'toddler' - if you see what I mean!

I'm terrified of how he will deal with (or not deal with) her more toddler-like behaviour, she can be and sometimes is naughty, and needs to be told no. I dont think he will bother, as it would mean confronting difficult behaviour, i.e. she wants a DVD on but its bedtime, she screams for it, he'll just give, as its easier than saying no and seeing it through. Its how he was raised, his parents spoilt him rotten (very long back story). I love my DD to bits, but she is a cheeky little character, with bags of personality, and is very willfull and pretty stubborn, it IS hard work managing her behaviour sometimes, I've had to work hard to establish boundaries and a routine that keeps her feeling secure. Ex-H doesn't 'do' routines, he does what he wants with his daughter when he wants to do it (again, long back story, short example -he had her overnight once while I recovered from a stomach bug -she goes to bed at 6:30pm, he kept her up until 11pm, because he wanted to play with her, and didn't want her to wake him up early the next day)

In a nutshell, I'm worried that he will waltz in, over-ride all the routine-building, behaviour management work I've done, then bugger off home and leave me to pick up the pieces.

AIBU to be worried?

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BringOnTheGoat · 27/12/2010 14:44

YANBU to be worried - you're her mum, you can't help but worry. Also he sounds childish and selfish which is hard work. Try to minimise your worries though. DD will have to get used to the world away from oyu - where boundaries and rules will be different. As long as you are consistent she will know where she stands.

Can you speak to him before he comes- maybe lay it out in simple terms? Say that as the main carer you have to give her stability and it is unfair if he goes against your way of doing things. Maybe suggest when you are together you need to parent as a team?
Either way I wouldn't lose sleep over it - he'll come- what will be, will be- then he'll go - it's not forever.

LifeIsButtercream · 27/12/2010 14:58

I will try Bring , he is very good at playing lip-service to things, but when it actually comes to it.....

Trying to parent as a team, he interprets this as "we will both do it HIS was as HE is the better parent" as he always puts it. One of his things he does to bring me down Sad

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AnyFuckerisFucked · 27/12/2010 15:01

I doubt very much that he would manage to undo all the hard work you have put in during the space of only a week

it might have been better if he'd stayed in a B+B though, I would find it difficult to be in such close quarters day in and day out now that you have your own space and your own life

LifeIsButtercream · 27/12/2010 15:06

AnyFucker - I have suggested a B&B he threw a paddy saying he couldnt afford it (yeah right!) and it wasnt fair. In fact I'm glad hes not, as he will see it as a holiday - rolling in to mine at midday when he gets up, and leaving as soon as DD goes to bed (leaving me with the tidying and washing up) - at least staying with me he will have a full-on dose of parenthood!

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AnyFuckerisFucked · 27/12/2010 15:11

ok, I see your point but I have a feeling this is going to end in tears (not his), sorry

good luck with it x

BringOnTheGoat · 27/12/2010 15:14

EVERYTHING AF said - giving him a full dose of parenthood is hardly worth the heartache from sound of it. I still think you should focus on the 'not forever' side. If he tries to get you down, I find it hard to see how you will share space easily!?

fel1x · 27/12/2010 15:23

It sounds as though he will get bored quite quickly of being a 'full on' parent for a whole week tbh.
How about you think about the things that matter the most to you and DD within her routine and then make sure you let your ex have sole charge for a lot of the time around those key things but you step in and do the stuff thats important. For example, you could let him do play time/take her to the park etc and then when he is done and wants to flop on the sofa you can take over and do bath and bed time so that DD sticks to her sleep routine.

pippop1 · 27/12/2010 15:34

Put a rough timetable up on the fridge for DD such as

6.30 am wakes up and has milk,change nappy
7.00 am breakfast for DD (cereal + toast)

and so on.

There is no excuse for his not following this routine (within reason) or saying that he didn't know what happened with her.

LifeIsButtercream · 27/12/2010 15:39

Good ideas, thanks people - I feel like I can be stronger with him, as this is OUR home (meaning mine and DD's) not his, his opinions on my home are not relevant, and if he pushes it he will defo be in a hotel next time (yes he can afford it and yes DD IS worth it).

Will draw up a routine on paper so he can get into the swing of it quickly, and also a list of the simple rules we have in the house.

He rightly wants as much 1 on 1 time with his daughter as possible - and I'm happy to enable this, but he is not here for a holiday, if he doesnt like it he knows where the door is.

(Feels empowered and throws shoulders back)

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AnyFuckerisFucked · 27/12/2010 15:49

ohhh < feels the power of the oestrogen from here >

Xmas Grin
oldraver · 27/12/2010 17:19

Do the list and make sure he sticks to it with encouragement from you. Gently remind him just before DD's bed/bathtime... "DD will shortly be ready for bed, would you like to bath her"

If he is he the kind of person that would take this kind of suggestion as 'being told what to do' you may have a bit of difficulty on your hands though. Just be strong and reiterate that its best for DD to stick to her routine

MumNWLondon · 27/12/2010 18:13

I agree with the timetable on the wall and explain that you want to keep her in routine when he is there.

In terms of playing with her, I doubt lying her on her back and waving something in her face is going to work anymore, but you can encourage him to take her on outings, eg to park, swimming, softplay.

I think also good to have a conversation with him about her toddler behaviour and how you deal with it.

atswimtwolengths · 27/12/2010 18:25

But what will happen when she's in bed? Are you going to have to sit in the same room as him all night? And have you hidden all the things you don't want him to see, such as bank statements?

northernrock · 27/12/2010 18:59

I think if you stay calm, and keep everything in perspective (e.g it's just a visit, not forever etc)it will be ok.

What you are both doing is having a major adjustment period, which will not be easy, but I repeat-stay calm, and let things play out before you panic and issue threats/ultimatums/frying pans to the head.

As I type my ex is upstairs reading my son a story before putting him to bed.

It has taken us about 3 years to get to this place, via quite a lot of angst and anger, but it is really ok now.
A lot of the problems we had were to do with the way I dealt with him.
The first time he came to stay, he literally sat on the sofa and read the paper. I tidied up the toys, did bedtime, made tea, got up early with the ds.
And I was so resentful all the time, so I could not broach the subject of his laziness/ thoughtlessness without it becoming a full on row.

Over the years I have stuck to my guns about the way things should be (e.g this is not a holiday, I expect him to buy groceries, I expect him to get up in the morning and let me have a lie in when it's the weekend. Because the it's only every 2 months and I need one!)

A lot of people think I am crazy to have him staying with me, but actually, now, it's fine. We are a bit like an old married couple. We put up with each other, we have nice chats about our son, and music and politics, and we don't have sex!

I get to go out when Ex is here, and he gets up before me now and takes care of breakfast while I stay upstairs drinking my tea and being grumpy.

I suppose if my current relationship became serious, and I wanted to live with my fella that would make things complicated, but I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

northernrock · 27/12/2010 19:01

Sorry to make that all about me (me! me!) but I thought you might like an optimistic point of view from someone a bit further down the line!

LifeIsButtercream · 27/12/2010 19:22

No probs northern , it was useful to have your perspective on this. There is no way in hell ex-H is going to be allowed to sit around, once DD is in bed he will be expected to chip in with the toy-wrangling, dish-washing etc etc - this is not a hotel - and on at least one of the nights he is here he will be 'babysitting' while I go and meet some friends (he will have free-reign over my Sky and be able to use my internet - which is all he does at home anyway), I do try and keep our relationship as friendly as possible for DD's sake, so we can cope with being in the same room and I'm sure he will be happy to hear news about what DD has been up to and see the pictures from Christmas.

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pjmama · 27/12/2010 19:27

Remember that he is no longer your husband. He is a guest in YOUR home and while he's there he should respect that and do things your way. If he can't do that, then make it clear that next time he'll be in a B&B whether he likes it or not.

monkeyflippers · 28/12/2010 10:14

I totally agree with the list idea. He can't ignore what is in black and white and if he does make it clear that it's not acceptable.

Try to start the week as you mean to go on with solid rules and don't run around after him.

LittleMissHoHoHoFit · 28/12/2010 12:17

LifeisButtercream. Stay strong.

A week huh? A WEEK?

A W E E K ! ! !

Hope that you can get him to toe the line.

We'll all be here for you love. Have some B&B numbers ready though just in case.

SantaMousePink · 28/12/2010 15:53

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LifeIsButtercream · 28/12/2010 16:35

Cant tell you how tempting it is to let him in, and walk out of the door to my mums saying "see you in a week!" - but could never do that to DD!

Am working on timetable - but the more I write it out the more I look like a total control-freak mum! [seriously disturbed smiley]

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monkeyflippers · 29/12/2010 09:05

Don't worry about looking like a control freak. He doesn't sound like he has been part of your daughters life lately so needs to know these things.

northernrock · 29/12/2010 14:04

Aargh. I was on before giving advice about how this situation can work and be ok, but am having such a meltdown about having my ex staying today that I might have to take it all back!

Just had an argument which began with me getting a letter about the hike in gas prices.
He then started comiserating about how much things cost, and I said "we should not talk about money"(My son was there, and it always results in an argument)
He kept saying "why not" so I said "it always ends in an argument"
and he said:
"Only because you can't control youself. You dont have an y reason to be angry with me"
and which I scoffed, and then he accused me of being too immature to have a reasonable discussion.

The thing is, I get 5 pounds a week from him,for the last two and a half years (before that nothing).
Since having my son I am a couple of grand in debt (moving house, furniture, bills, etc etc)
He has contributed nothing, and is not in debt, although he frets about his finances all the time.

His mental health is, apparently, to fragile for him to get a full time job (he works a little bit freelance for fuck all) and even though I have pointed out that he could work part time at least, he says its not worth it.

Sorry for the hijack, and the rant, but I am feeling a bit at the end of my tether.
The reason I said we should not talk about it is that I have tried to explain my position to him (which I sure I dont have to explain here) and he just thinks I am being totally unreasonable and angry for no reason.

If we stay away from subjects like this, it is ok, but I guess there will always be this sore point and it will not get resolved because he doesn't think he is doing anything wrong.

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