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to believe that kid's should read to their teacher/TA everyday?

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sparklyjewlz · 17/12/2010 07:33

given today's news that 1 in 10 boys leave primary school with the reading age of a 7 yo.
When DS1 was in primary this happened. He's now 18, so that was a while ago. By the time DD (now 13) was in primary this had dropped to once or twice a week. Not sure why. Squeezed out by other government initiatives probably. DS's reading came on in leaps and bounds.
This seems a simple, basic, achievable target.

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Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:39

30 children, ten minutes a time, 6 children an hour would take 5 hours.
Please give a more detailed explanation of how you would accomplish daily reading, with groupings, timings and support. Should the TA do nothing but read with a child? What about maths and writing?

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy · 17/12/2010 07:41

Or alternatively, parents could read with their kids every day. That would help.

Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:41

Radical Grin

belgo · 17/12/2010 07:41

Logistically impossible.

It would be a lot better if the parents listened to their children reading every day.

Thirty years ago we only had one teacher for a class of 30 but still the standards of reading etc were a lot higher.

bubbleOseven · 17/12/2010 07:41

can the parents not listen to their child read?

TheYuleLogLady · 17/12/2010 07:42

30 children in a class.

15 minutes reading every day for each

7.5 hours of reading a day before you start thinking bout maths/science/lunch etc.

not ever going to happen.

TheYuleLogLady · 17/12/2010 07:43

goblin was quicker working that out out than i was Grin

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy · 17/12/2010 07:44

X posted! A lot of parents tell me they don't have time to read - how they expect us to find the time god knows?!

NoahAndTheWhale · 17/12/2010 07:45

So how were children listened to Reading every day then? I don't remember anyone listening to me every day.

BeerTricksPotter · 17/12/2010 07:46

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KnittingisbetterthanTherapy · 17/12/2010 07:47

My mum read with me every day. She had four kids and listened to all of us.

Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:47

25 years ago, you saw children with books and 4 TV channels. No videos or Xboxes, DVDs or DSis.
The ones that needed a lot of support were a minority in most schools.

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Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:49

We used to do English and Maths in the morning and topic in the afternoon. Whilst children were working, we heard readers. We also heard readers through lunchbreaks.
Try getting through a lesson observation now like that.

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy · 17/12/2010 07:49

Too true Goblin. But it's much easier for parents to blame the teachers isn't it?

Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:50

I like to blame the government

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sparklyjewlz · 17/12/2010 07:54

YuleLogLady: it doesn't need to be 15 mins, 5 mins is better than nothing; it's the regular routine that's important. Willing parents could pop in on a rota. What would be more important for a TA to do than encourage reading, fgs?

Bubble: OK, in an ideal world parents should listen to their children every day. This is one of the most useful ways that parents can support their DC's learning. But it's clearly not happening in a lot of cases.

In some areas of the country 15% of boys are going up to secondary school without achieving a level 3, which is barely reading at all, in other words.

Our literacy rate must be slipping compared to much poorer countries.

It is achievable, with a bit of organisation and support for every child to be heard every day. I know because it happened to my DS.

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Goblinchild · 17/12/2010 07:57

'Bubble: OK, in an ideal world parents should listen to their children every day. This is one of the most useful ways that parents can support their DC's learning. But it's clearly not happening in a lot of cases.'

So teachers pick up the slack again?
OK

NinkyNonker · 17/12/2010 07:59

Really? Well you obviously know more about the subject than every school/literacy co-ordinator in the country if you can see a way around the logistical problems pointed out. Bear in mind as well that subjects are taught differently (literacy is taught across the curriculum) so there is more focus on reading and related skills than there used to be anyway.

As a teacher/former TA, part of the problem with just 5 mins is it wouldn't give you time to check comprehension, they would just be reading the words. This kind of thing doesn't give children a chance to get into a book, thereby reducing reading to a task that has to be done which is very negative.

Chandon · 17/12/2010 08:04

Like some people point out, it is not possible.

In our local primary, year 1 (key year for learning to read) has 30 children and a TA mornings only. The TA has to help the SN children (2) as well as assist during group activities and yet somehow the TA and Teacher manage to read with each child once a week.

Some SAHP's (including self) have volunteered to read with the children 1 on 1 for 2 hrs each week.

I read with lots of children, and the ones who read at home (just 10 mins, 3 times a week makes a HUGE difference) are 3 to 4 levels up from the ones who don't.

I think parents need to KNOW how much difference it makes though. Lots of them don't do anything, and then are surprised the school "lets them down".

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sparklyjewlz · 17/12/2010 08:09

Goblinchild: I'm not blaming teachers or asking them to substitute for parents (I'm a teacher myself). But I do believe that this is so basic it should take priority.
If these kids go to secondary school having not achieved a level 3 it is almost impossible for them to make progress in any area.
NN: what do you suggest?

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KnittingisbetterthanTherapy · 17/12/2010 08:10

Behaviour is also very much worse than it used to be so teacher/ta time more stretched with classroom management issues.

sparklyjewlz · 17/12/2010 08:11

"the TA and Teacher manage to read with each child once a week"
That's not enough, is it Chandon?
I guess parents are told how important it is but are not able to comply.

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