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Selfish or deserved?

43 replies

carocaro · 06/12/2010 10:29

We are very tight in the cash department at the moment.

DH went out for 'a drink' with friends and spent £40. I have turned down every night out for the last six months if not more, keeping the cash for Christmas and the house stuff.

We all need a night out now and then, but I am pissed off at this unspoken one rule for him and one rule for me. He is working, albeit 2-3 days a week doing some consultancy due to redundancy and he see's that he very much deserves a night out.

Just feeling like an upaid and unappreciated dirtbag at present.

AIBU?

OP posts:
carocaro · 07/12/2010 11:23

Oh and don't "punish him"

What the F does that mean?

OP posts:
maddy68 · 07/12/2010 11:39

I actually dint think he has done anything wrong. He had a night out - sounds like he deserves it, he is still working, if he retreats away and doesnt participate in social stuff he will be excluded and potentially over looked for work.

£40 on a night out really is not much at all. I do appreciate that you are on a tight budget but this is a one off, not like he is out every week. Let it go and dont spoil his one night away from the dreary realities of redundacy

booyhohoho · 07/12/2010 12:11

it's all good and well saying he deserved a night out and he may be feeling excluded etc, but he could have run it past his partner. you know teh one who is most likely to be juggling the finances to allow for the loss of £40. even if he is the only one earning, him spending that money affects his whole family. they will all have to go without something as a result of his night out. and what if OP decided the unspoken rule didn't apply to her either and went out with £40 because believe me SAHPs can feel a hell of a lot more excluded from life than someone who is working 3 days a week. why is his social time more important than hers? why couldn't he be decent about it, say "look we've both been under immense stress recently i think we deserve to chill abit and go out. what can we spare from the budget?"

catsmother · 07/12/2010 12:38

He works 2-3 days a week but apparently "deserves" a night out - which they don't have spare cash for ??!!?

How many days a week do his supporters think the OP works - albeit unpaid - in the home ? Does she not "deserve" a night out too ? (bet it's 7 days a week BTW)

Fact is .... unless they are particularly nasty people, they probably both "deserve" a night out but sometimes, just as the OP has been doing (by turning down invites and flogging stuff off on eBay) you have to be a grown up about it and swallow down the crapness of being stuck in and put what you'd like to do beneath the stuff that needs to be paid for. It sucks, but there you are .... it's disgusting selfish behaviour if his night out means the whole family suffer as a result.

And whilst I'm not saying it can never happen, come on, how many "drinks with friends" nights result in job offers - especially these days - unless you're in the sort of industry where networking is common ? That's just excusing his selfishness and whilst £40 may not sound "a lot" it's all relative and I can totally understand why the OP is feeling so pissed off and angry with him - particularly when he shrugged at her. How bloody contemptuous and dismissive is that ? That shrug translates as "I'll do what I want and I don't care what you think".

Can appreciate why some people immediately think of OP spending £40 on herself in retalliation, but as she says, she has her eye on the wider picture - and the double effect that would have on the family budget, so she's responsible and doesn't do it ... because ultimately it'll affect the children.

When you're genuinely strapped for cash, he's been a pig about this. He didn't even discuss it with her - maybe along the lines of him (poor baby) being totally stressed out or something - but just went and did it. You know what, as has already been suggested, I wouldn't buy him a Xmas present - and I'd be bloody tempted not to buy any of "his" favourite Xmas food in either. This isn't punishing him ... this is a consequence of £40 being taken. How else is the OP supposed to replace that money ?

Also sympathise with the "get a job" line. Only an idiot would refuse to do so, or be ignorant of the fact that a job might bring in some more money. I'm actually "lucky" enough to have 2 jobs .... to scrape the money we need .... but it's all but destroying my family/relationship as I work such crap hours and practically opposite shifts to my partner (as many others do too I know). I would love a nice school hours term time job (like everyone else) because the alternative - once you consider my skills, experience (in an industry which is currently all but dead), childcare, travel etc., is that even if I were able to get a job in "normal" hours, I'd earn less than I do now, and we literally need every £. So I'm stuck and it's crap. Come on people - it ISN'T "easy" to get work in many areas of the country, and if you do it often comes at a very high price. I think it's unfair to attack the OP for her lack of a job, when she has preschoolers for one, and when this line of reasoning detracts from the issue at hand - which is her DH's selfishness and irresponsibility.

booyhohoho · 07/12/2010 12:56

totally agree catsmother.

onceamai · 07/12/2010 14:18

Whilst sympathising with the OP I simply do not understand why she cannot get some weekend shop work during the run up to Christmas or take on some cleaning or ironing. I have friends who have done similar when things have been tough and have done so very willingly in order to maintain some independence.

catsmother · 07/12/2010 15:06

Because those jobs aren't always there in all areas ! Even if she did work it still doesn't alter the fact that as of right now, they can't afford £40 and he still went ahead and took it.

Believe me - speaking from personal experience (and working around 50 hours a week), working does NOT always solve money problems. It's quite possible for both halves of a couple to work and for you to still have to watch what you spend on non-essentials.

StuffingGoldBrass · 07/12/2010 18:42

Onceamai: she lives somewhere in the sticks as there is only one bus an hour, and the H works erratically so she can't commit to regular shifts anyway. That's why she can't get a job.
And 'do ironing or cleaning' isn't going to work in a poor area because the other people living near by are not going to pay out extra cash to have their housework done - they can't afford to.

Carocaro - so if your H is not working regularly and 'the money's not coming through just yet' from his consultancy, what are you all living on?

sleepyhappymummy · 07/12/2010 19:05

This hasn't really got anything to do with the money per se, so all the stuff about getting a job etc is a bit of a red herring imo.

This is about communication and respect for each other. Had the h perhaps talked to her beforehand, and said he needed to go out for networking, and they agreed a budget of what he would try and stick to, the OP wouldnt't be feeling so unsettled by his behaviour. But in fact he just met his own needs, and communicated to her 'so what?' by the shrug. Its not ok in a relationship to do this! And now she's trying to explain why this is such a big issue to him, he's just dismissing her views as not important!

We most of us know that in the tough times when money is tight, communication about it is so important, more so than when things are more flush. Its not fair for one partner to have their eye on the ball, and the other to absolve themselves of responsibility.

Thats my view anyway, my dh and I are in a similar position, Ive just gone on mat leave and having twins in a week or so with one toddler already. Things are going to be super tight over the next few years (until the twins qualify for assisted nursery places when they are 3 basically), so we have a strict budget with very little left over at the end of the month. We can only do it by talking to each other, and I wouldn't stand for my dh behaving like this, Id be really angry and need to sort it out, not be dismissed.......

onceamai · 07/12/2010 19:24

There's one train an hour into Manchester. Admittedly we don't know how far from Manchester the OP is but there are some pretty wealthy areas around Manchester, ie, Cheshire, and they also have a car which presumably the OP could use when DH isn't working. I got the distinct impression that the OP was unhappy about having no money to spend and I am guessing perhaps incorrectly that DH is not doing his consultancy at weekends. IMO marriage is a team (and yes he should have discussed going out) but also if money is tight they should be working together to bring more in and if DH is having difficulties getting work then the OP should be trying too.

Sorry but I had a Saturday job (yikes one train an hour into the nearest town and a 25 minute walk to the station) from age 16, before that I waitressed from 14 and learnt silver service - cycled 7 miles to the 5 star hotel. At College (in 1979/80) I waitressed in a nice restaurant and could make 20 a night in tips as well as the 2 quid an hour! Early on in London when I overextended myself with a mortgage at 21 (having been saving up from odd jobs at College and from working during the summers - got up at 5.45 train journey to London 1.45hrs and earnt about 100 quid a week in the City because I could type) I got a Saturday job back in M&S (good refs from when I was 16) to make enough to go out a bit when I was trying to furnish the flat.

I'm not going to apologise for this but IMO either you go out and you get work - and you jolly well take anything if it's for the sake of your children - or you stay home and complain.

carocaro · 07/12/2010 19:36

Thank you so much Catsmother - you said it all, so very well indeed. You said how I feel and how it is.

And to the other questions.......

Shop/weekend work - tried John Lewis, M&S, Sans etc - NO weekend shifts in this area. Have a look on their websites if you don't beleive me!

Cleaning & Ironing - not a hope in this area, not poor, middle class but again no disposable income for items such as this, plus two companies have it pretty much covered. Onceamai - again deluded that there are tonnes of these perfect little weekend jobs up for grabs locally, where do you live?

The money we are living on is from when he was paid the last time for consultancy, you know this big companies take ages to pay sometimes. And £40 is a lot when you don't know exactly when the next lot is coming in!

And yes if he had talked it through with me beforehand I would have at least felt respected and accounted for, any maybe said got just for a few and agreed on £20 budget.

OP posts:
StuffingGoldBrass · 07/12/2010 21:06

Carocaro: Are you getting all the benefits you are entitled to? I get WTC and CTC and some HB, and my income is erratic (mostly freelance work) I just give them average estimates of what I get per year. I keep hoping to be able to come off HB but every time I take on additional work either one of the existing clients goes bust or doesn't need me any more, or the new work turns out to bring in no money...

StuffingGoldBrass · 07/12/2010 21:07

OnceAmai: Yeah, great, but you didn;t have any kids that you had to arrange childcare for when you were doing all those long hours odd jobs. THe OP has three under-fives. Paid care for them would cost more than her wages for something like shopwork and the H is clearly selfish and unreliable.

LeakMyWiki · 07/12/2010 21:11

babysitting? it would fit with hours etc and all money would be hers, no childcare

onceamai · 07/12/2010 21:38

Stuffing - her husband isn't working - when he gets a f/t job they can review the situation. Part-time jobs can be odd hours, ie, nights in care homes, domestic work to suit, shop work at weekends, work in bars, esp, when DH doesn't have regular work. DH could look for this sort of work too if there isn't anything else around but that wouldn't give the OP any independence.

ChippingIn · 07/12/2010 23:15

I can't believe there are people picking you apart for 'not working'... I don't know if there is anything you could do or not, but it's not the point of the thread!

The point of the thread is that your DH has acted incredibly selfishly and it's not acceptable. Clearly money is tight and he has no right to go out and spend money on himself when you are struggling to make ends meet and his attitude is fucking disrespectful and disgraceful.

As for him deserving/earning a night out - what a crock of shit - if you don't have the money, you don't have the money. Now, thanks to his selfish behaviour the OP doesn't have the money for bills/christmas.

classydiva · 07/12/2010 23:17

Jeez Id be pissed too you could have gone out together with 40 quid.

iamamug · 07/12/2010 23:59

Just a thought - not having a go.
I ran a very successful ironing business a few years ago (on top of working F/T)

The big companies charge a fortune - I charged 60p per item and averaged £10 per hour.

You would be amazed how many people HATE ironing and would spend their last tenner to get shirts done!

Put a card in the local post office and see how it goes - That's if you can bear to iron!!

You can do it in your own time when the kids are in bed whilst watching TV. Smile

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