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to think that will all the massive cuts that are being made it is odd

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2shoes · 22/11/2010 08:35

that the government can lend another country billions....
now I know there will be a good reason for them doing it, but if we are so in debt, how the hell can we find money to lend to others??

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ChickensHaveNoMercyForTurkeys · 22/11/2010 20:13

There were 100% mortgages here too.

SummerRain · 22/11/2010 20:55

I live on an estate of 9 houses of which two are occupied... the other seven have been rotting for most of the last 3 years and at least 4 are owned by the banks as the developer went broke. The same is true all over the country. All these house were built as we were seeing immigration figures of over 200,000 people a year and our population was booming.

DP is a trained IT technician who can't get a job for love not money, our government run employment agency FAS told him 'There are no jobs, emigrate or do another course'

Our rent is 520euros a month (that's rural prices, we moved from the city 3 years ago as our rent was 850 a month and about to go up), car insurance is 45 a month, tax is 96 every 3 months for a small engined car, home heating oil costs over 200 for less than a months supply which we can't afford so we're surviving with 2 electric heaters and a tiny open fire, my weekly shop for 5 of us buying budget comes in at 150 euros or more (more most weeks tbh), electricity is 116 a month, rubbish collection 25 a month, broadband (which i need to study) is over 350 a year... the list goes on. And yet the country has no money... i'd love to know where it's all going as there's certainly enough of it flying out of my hands Hmm

Most Irish people have to pay for all health care, if you do have a medical card you have to pay a nominal amount for prescriptions... we pay for our children's school books as well as endless extras through the year and there's no such thing as school dinners over here. We don't pay corporation taxes but we do pay large amounts of refuse charges, road taxes and various other taxes and charges that do get used for the same purpose as British corporation taxes and we don't receive the same tax credits and other benefits that most English families are entitled to.

All that being said i think the blame for this situation is purely laid at the door of the Irish...

the government who profited from the recklessness of the developers and gave them break after break whilst allowing our commercial and industrial investors to up and leave one by one without doing a damn thing to stop them... thousands of Irish were employed by foreign multinationals in factories and call centres across the country and the vast majority of those people are unemployed now.

The education system who put the notion into the heads of thousands of young people that as long as you have a degree jobs will fall at your feet, most of these people are working as cold callers, supermarket assistants and factory workers now... better the money was spent to fund them in vocational training than so many people with no particular aptitude for university education were sponsored through university so they could sit behind a checkout and scan bar codes.

the Irish people who think it's their god given right to own their own home no matter what their financial or employment status and are too naive to realise that if it sounds like too good a deal then it generally is.

The banks who borrowed to those they knew would never be able to repay, and who loaned millions to developers for unneeded housing that the aforementioned idiots above would buy for extortionist prices and then fail to pay the mortgage on within months.

And now we're borrowing money from our ever so gracious Hmm neighbours in the EU and my children will be grown by the time the country recovers.

We can't even emigrate as we don't can't afford to Sad

ApricotWorms · 22/11/2010 21:21

The way I see it is that Ireland is the only country to ever give us decent points in the Eurovision song contest and we must guard against coming away with null points by ingratiating ourselves with our neighbours.

If the Irish government defaults on the loan we will steal Bono's hat and threaten to stamp on it. That fat-arsed, tax-dodging knobber will pay a ransom equal to Ireland's debt and we'll all be happy Grin

Niceguy2 · 22/11/2010 21:47

I read somewhere today (think it was BBC News) that Britain lending Ireland money is a bit like 2 drunks staggering out of the pub trying desperately to prop each other up.

A fantastic analogy which I think totally describes what is happening here.

BonniePrinceBilly · 22/11/2010 21:49

pmsl@ tax-dodging knobber! Grin

ChickensHaveNoMercyForTurkeys · 22/11/2010 21:50

Bono is a uniting force. Everyone thinks he's a git.

stleger · 22/11/2010 22:08

Gerry Fitt who co-founded the SDLP with John Hume said that 'You don't have to hate England to love Ireland'. (I think he assumed we love the Scots and Welsh!) The economies and banking systems of the UK, Ireland and especially where Northern Ireland is concerned are very interlinked. There is currently a merger on the cards between Greencore, a major Irish food processor and a group called Northern Foods - they are the posh end, Waitrose, Marks etc. I worked and paid UK taxes for seven years, so did my dh; I have several friends and neighbours living and working near me (Cork) who were born and educated in the UK. Despite the euro/sterling we are very interlinked.

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stleger · 22/11/2010 22:32

Keep your head down Kerry, sure your'e a blow in yourself Wink. The IMF has produced an odd document this evening, which appears to be sending us all out to work and 5% less tax for mums. I suspect too many wee Baileys in the hotel lobby.

GiddyPickle · 22/11/2010 23:20

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pastyeater · 22/11/2010 23:51

What is Britain exporting to Ireland ?

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huddspur · 23/11/2010 00:01

Britain exports financial services to most European countries.

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AlpinePony · 23/11/2010 07:49

summerrain - AWESOME post! :)

Litchick · 23/11/2010 09:07

Things we export to Ireland include music, literature, television and film, technology, fashion, food, financial services, education, legal services...

5% overall, but for some businesses much higher.

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AlpinePony · 23/11/2010 10:01

Ironic that he wants you to dig your hands in to your own pockets for his charities.

IntergalacticHussy · 23/11/2010 10:15

most of the so called 'exports' are simply travelling over the border from Northern Ireland to the Irish Republic. Technically exporting obviously, just not the way you picture it.

Louii · 23/11/2010 10:37

Part of the reason we moved from Ireland 5 years ago was the greed and moneygrabbing.

We would not buy a house there as despite getting mortgage approval for a mental amount of money (no idea how we got approved for the amount we did) we would not have been able to sleep at night having that kind of debt hanging over us.

Unfortunately for many people common sense went out the window, I have friends living in ghost estates with houses that they bought for 400,000 euro that are now worth feck all as no one would buy them.

We could barely afford the Dr's over there and were paying 1000 euro a month to live in a tiny damp house.

It is the only country I know where asking people how much their house is worth, how much they bought it for and how much the get paid is not considered bad manners.

IntergalacticHussy · 23/11/2010 11:01

in a way though, that's just a magnified picture of what's going on all the time, all over the world.

That's the way economic growth is measured when times are good (something people quickly forget when the emperor realises he's actually butt naked and the whole make believe game falls apart)Pretend money buying up things real people really need and pushing prices up beyond our wildest dreams.

Any one with half a brain would be calling for an end to this lunacy rather than sitting tight and waiting for it to happen all over again, as we always do.

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