to be very heartened by the student riots!

[Heathcliffscathy]

apathy be damned...I predict more riots...looks like the youth have found their teeth.

It was to you, obviously. Poignant my arse.

Yeah, more assumptions and prejudice.

i got that one, thanks but your other comments were unclear

and i'm sure your arse is poignant enough

night lowrib x

You should read more closely then, it's clear enough.

Who are you addressing at 00:52?

oh not just me then?

30 yrs ago there wern't the same benefits as there are now - although there were some. you left school and got a job - why? got your mum needed the money. You couldn't go poncing around uni, listening to indie bands and being 'arty'

this has as much to do with the culture of the poor as the finances involved.

You of course elephants.. who else?

Is there some prejudice that getting a job is lower class or beneath people? What the hell is wrong with becoming an adult and getting a job? Custard.. you imply that benefits have encouraged under qualified people to go to university. How is this a good thing?

Real maturity there blinks.. saves you having to read piss and respond I guess.. though why you would waste your time on a thread like this when you aren't interested enough except to be dull is a mystery.

Yeah there were no bands to listen to in the 60s and 70s were there Custy?

30 years ago there was not only free tuition but grants to help with living costs - so more benefits actually. Do you think nobody went to university back then? Where do you think all the doctors and lawyers and teachers and engineers etc came from then? Space?

Custardo, yes your right although I think it was more than thirty years ago, however there were jobs to be had then AND why would we want to returb to the time of the tallyman and all that povery entailed.

As for indie bands, love em!

if a parent is recieving sufficient means to live.

the child doesn't have to support eh family income by necessity aged 18.

that child has a choice to their future - to work or to study.

how is this choice NOT a good thng?

Ha ha I have to laugh.. my phone has described my own posts as ahem. Oh well. That should say posts. Which are not piss of course but cogent, appropriate and fabulous.

so nothing good has ever come from being 'arty' custardo? like, emmmm john lennon, bryan ferry, MIA, radiohead, talking heads, bryan eno, eric clapton, nick cave, mick jones, ron wood, michael stipe.......... all ex art students.

elephants - i'm not sure why you are aggrieved at the indie reference and why you thnk this pre-supposes that music didn't exist before it? please explain.

I have said in earlier posts why it's a bad thing, not exactly what you describe, but the current system.

Numbers should be limited, and limited by achievement. This ludicrous degree obsession should be landfilled.

YABU
The minority behaved in a ridiculous manner. I am a student, and a lot of my friends went down to the protest today. I resisted, because I truly believe we should put what we take out of the system back into the system when we can afford it.

It is a much fairer system than the current one, in which parents are expected to pay the fees - and the assessments take no account of parents' liabilities or willingness to pay - just if they earn a certain amount then they pay. How is that fair??? Now, students will all incur the same levels of debt for the same course. Much fairer.

Don't even get me started on Labour, commissioning the report and entirely hypocritical.

ElephantsAndMiasmas Thu 11-Nov-10 00:47:26
"When [today's politicians] got their degrees they probably had to be brighter and have better qualifications." Honestly do you believe everything you read in the papers?

Appletrees Thu 11-Nov-10 00:52:09
What an offensive thing to say. Just so full of assumptions. And deeply flawed. Except.. unless.. you probably think only wealthy people went to university thirty years ago? When there were grants and no fees? That is some imagination you have.

You're offended by my remark about the papers? Come on! Didn't mean to upset you, just that I have only heard this kind of "exams are getting easier, it's all tick boxes and A levels in farting, not like in my day" stuff in the newspapers. Not from actual sensible people.

Why on earth would I think that only rich people went to university 30 years ago? There was far more support then, although fewer places of course. My disbelief was directed at your claim that politicians had to be brighter and better qualified when they went to university than people are now. What are your grounds for that?

christ on a bike! i was projecting the tone.... indie bands 'arty' as opposed to 'solid work' down the mill for a wage in a working class family. I'm sorry if this wasn't obvious to you

i'm not saying that christ couldn't ride a bike if he wanted to. i'm sure he could. But the expectation is for christ to be on a donkey.

it's difficult to respond to 'piss' when it's not clearly aimed at anyone in particular, hence my question about who your posts were aimed at. you then decided to be a sarky knob but perhaps the enormous chip on your shoulder regarding accessing further education is also obstructing your ability to show good will.