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to think having more than one child makes it impossible to sleep train?

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BettyButterknife · 10/11/2010 10:31

DS2 is 14 weeks and has always been ok at night - even when tiny he only really woke once in the wee hours for a feed before going back down again in his cot in our room.

However, the past 10 days or so he hasn't been hungry at night and when he wakes we've been bringing him into our bed where he settles quickly and easily. The reason for us doing this was so that he doesn't wake his older brother, which was happening. DS1 was a terrible sleeper, waking at 5am every day until about 6 months ago - hence my total fear of him being woken.

What I hadn't realised, though, is that my husband has been cuddling DS2 to sleep whereas I'd just had him in the bed next to us. DS2 now expects this so what began as a useful way of us all getting sleep now results in one or other of us either being awake most of the night with a wriggly baby in our arms, or sleeping in awkward positions which becomes quite painful.

And it's affected day sleeps too, with DS2 needing to hold our hands and be rocked in the pram to get off to sleep and not staying asleep for long (30 minutes max, and still v tired on waking, won't nap in cot). That's another thing - when DS2 was born I tried putting him down for naps in the cot but it's too hard with a 3yo downstairs shouting for you or going on the potty alone while you're up with the baby. What are you supposed to do??

Any suggestions as to the best way to get him to settle in his cot? And any ways to avoid DS1 waking (we are in bedrooms next to each other, and although we're investigating a loft conversion I don't think any of us can wait that long!). I really want to nip this in the bud. Not prepared to do any kind of CC/CIO method but I'm aware we're in quite a pickle over all this. Quite up for beginning to change things tonight, especially if I can get MIL to have DS1 overnight.

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CostanzaBonanza · 10/11/2010 10:36

No advice but I'll be watching this thread as I have the same problem. DS and DD share a room, DS is 16 months and needs cuddles to sleep. He wakes in the night and I just put him in bed with me so as not to wake DD. He is now really clngy and can't settle himself Sad
I need some space!

morethanasong · 10/11/2010 11:13

I don't sleep train at all and have no problems with cuddling to sleep, so you may want to take what I say with a pinch of salt, but:

potty - have a potty trip before starting the naptime process (I accept I'm lucky here as dd1 can go for hours between wees).

entertaining older child - I set dd1 up with a safe activity - tv is easiest Blush and I used it a lot when I was first getting dd2 to nap apart from me (she napped in the sling for the first 6 months). Now that getting her to sleep takes no more than 20 minutes, I'll set dd1 up with a safe activity like colouring or playdoh.

I also play white noise to drown out any sound from downstairs.

I can't help for nighttimes because dd2 sleeps in our room anyway, but hopefully I've helped a little with naptimes. Have you looked at the No Cry Sleep books? They have lots of ideas for getting to/staying asleep (though less on dealing with two children at once).

TattyDevine · 10/11/2010 11:20

I had a 2 year old when my 2nd was born and I'd put baby down in her basket awake, and hope she went to sleep. She did. On the occasions where she was crying a bit, by the time I got back up there to her she'd gone to sleep.

This isn't much help but I think the less you do the less you need to do.

Not much help but if you can just try weaning him off being cuddled to sleep that would be a start.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

badfairy · 10/11/2010 11:26

Nope didn't/ don't do sleep training in this house. DS1 is 5 and happily goes to bed after story and a cuddle. DS2 goes into our bed and then co-sleeps with us. Works fine here.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 10/11/2010 11:32

Have done my version of "sleep training" with all 3 of the younger DC's and never had a problem with them waking siblings or that being a problem

Fernie3 · 10/11/2010 11:57

We just hug and cuddle whoever needs a hug or cuddle and they all settle nicely in their win bed as they get bigger including nap time i have a 14 week old who sleeps in my bed and naps over my shoulder while im tidying, she can seriously sleep through anything now!.

Tbh i think you CAN sleep train with older children but it's far easier not to bother.

ChippingIn · 10/11/2010 12:04

Just do what you need to do with DS2 to get into a good sleep pattern/sleeping in his own cot etc (whatever that is for you (and him of course)). If it wakes DS1 (which it probably wont) just tell him that you are teaching DS2 to sleep nicely like he does, tuck him up, give him a kiss and he'll be fine!

Do what 'morethanasong' said for daytime naps and tell him to be quiet while you get DS2 to sleep then you can do something with him that only Big Boys can do.

It's awful when you are sleep deprived - do what you need to do to get a good nights sleep, DS1 will be fine.

MoonUnitAlpha · 10/11/2010 12:05

I don't even have an older child, but have the same problem of my 14 week old sleeping in our bed and only napping for longer than 30 mins in the day if he's in arms. Not sure how to go about sleep training without crying.

morethanasong · 10/11/2010 13:06

MoonUnitAlpha, the No Cry books would probably suit you :) Briefly, to get longer naps, try going to your ds a few minutes before he's likely to wake, and try to soothe him back to sleep just as he's stirring, just as you get him to sleep in the first place.

You could also try different ways of getting him off to sleep - e.g. if he currently feeds to sleep, you could experiment with rocking him to sleep. You could then try rocking him til he's really sleepy but not quite asleep, then put him down gently (in a cot if you prefer him to sleep there) and do the last bit of rocking to sleep with him lying down. In theory you then become more and more 'hands-off' - patting rather than rocking, then just a hand on baby's stomach/back for example - but with both of mine I've been happy with rocking to sleep in bed, and found that they sleep quite well that way. The books go into more detail though, and give all kinds of options for you to choose from. It's not at all prescriptive and it's very gentle on the baby (and on you!)

MoonUnitAlpha · 10/11/2010 13:11

I do have the No Cry Sleep Solution actually! Guess I should dig it out and give it a proper read. He does sometimes go to sleep with rocking or patting in the day time, it's more the putting down that's the problem. I'll have a go rocking rather than feeding him to sleep tonight though.

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