is there anything wrong with being islamaphobic?

[Wintersnow]

In the sense someone is predjudice against the religion itself ( e.g. the second class citizen treatment of women in general and terrible human rights records in most muslim countries) and not that they hate the muslim people? Just curious...

That is what i said At least not the ones we are told about

No need to educate me I live in a very multicultural area and know people from all different religions.

hedge blunder it's not just the country that oppresses women though is it? There are many opressed female muslims subject to honour killings and other things in this country

It's wrong when you obviously don't know what you are talking about and what you are refering to.

Um, I was agreeing with you, Redflag. Not lecturing you. Sorry if that was unclear.

Sadly the horrific stories are given more airplay than uplifting stories, presumably because they sell more newspapers.

scoobytoo, i think that is a cultural difference, not a religious one. No where is the Koran does it condemn people to death.

The two worst things you can do as a Muslim

1. Kill yourself.
2. Kill another.

Oh sorry Mmelindt, i had some bad news today, i am a bit all over the place, probably should put the laptop down ha ha

Has anybody read the book 'Growing up Bin Laden' by Jean Sasson?

It's a fantastic read, wriiten with the help of one of Osama Bin Ladens sons, and his first, most important wife. It tells a very personal story, while showing clearly how any religion can be twisted to suit an individuals belief.

Riven
I think the OP is quite new to MN. I will go with the hope that she is looking for answers, for information rather than stirring it.

Wintersnow
I think where you are going wrong is the definition of Islamophobia being "prejudice against, or an irrational fear of Islam or Muslims"

Just because the term is phobia, does not put it in the same group of words as arachnophobia or claustrophobia.

It is up there with the -isms. Racism, Sexism, Anti-Semitism.

Wonder why Islam is a "phobia". Same as homophobia.

Redflag
Sorry to hear you have had some bad news. Hope things improve for you.

I see nothing wrong in criticising a religion.

Race is something you cannot choose. Religion is a choice.

If you want to believe in one particular form of cloud-fairy rather than another, then I reserve the right to mock you for it.

There is nothing wrong with taking the piss out of religion in general, a particular religion, or things done in the name of religion. There is a rich history of it in Britain.

At the same time, religion does great things sometimes. Fair-minded people will acknowledge that too. That doesn't mean that religion gets out of being mocked, lampooned and insulted.

Riven i agree, you also never hear of the mosques who ban the hate speakers, being bombarded by threats from them. And not caving in, telling the people at their mosque to pay them no mind, If you watch dispatches you would think thee was a million Muslims attempting and plotting to take down our country and enslave us all.

I suppose the nutters make for the sexier story.

red flag I agree with you in principle but honour killings are solely carried out by muslims not that all muslims carry out honour killings.

My point was actually that it's not just the countries of Iran etc that opress women and an example was that SOME muslims carry out horrific acts like honour killings here in Britain

Probably, Riven. But it does make it seem less serious, imo.

I have a phobia, I cannot help it.

And a fallacy that all Muslims cut themselves off from mainstream; my good Muslim friend is wearing a poppy this week & hosted a bonfire party.

oh of course not i think that would stop if there was more of an effort for everyone to integrate, it would become a thing of the past in this country. But again with Cyprus they have honour killings too.
My cousin became a monk as apposed to telling his parents he was gay, or he would have been killed. So again, its the people not the religion.

true Riven but you're missing my point, in fact you have added to my point.
I am NOT saying that all muslims do these things far from it, I am just pointing out that it's not just countries like Iran and Afghanistan that have problems opressing women it is here in the UK too from all parts of society, race, religion etc.

Riven "Heck, murders to control women happen here but are not called the emotive 'honour killing' but domestic violence."

Murders of course happen here to women through domestic violence just as they do in every corner of the world, however domestic violence is not the same thing as honour killing. Honour killing is driven through SOME (minority) muslim's beliefs.

Ah riven, that's so kind of those young men. I live 200 yards from a very large mosque and my street is a bit of a thorough fare to it, on Fridays I'm always being helped out/let on the bus first/ chatted to/my cat gets the fuss of his life.
Redflag- my family are roman catholic Italians and it can be very severe, but apparently we just sit arous all day twiddling pasta and counting our rosaries..!